Green Poet

We can't really coordinate in this thread, but let's try to protect Shinori tonight.

What I'm getting out of this is that Eli is town :/ Or more WIFOM, ugh.

What.

Do you say this because bear claimed to have protected BBM during N1, or did you also have a scumread on BBM beforehand?

That's enough to convince me. Shinori wasn't enthusiastic about a bear lynch earlier, so I can't see why he'd withhold this information unless he thought it was necessary to CC bear. ##Vote: bearclaw

Ugh.... I'm fairly confident bear is scum, but I really don't want to potentially mislynch doctor..... ##Unvote If she's here, Eury should claim.

That's true. I think we can safely assume that bear is scum now. Need to hear Eury and Wen's thoughts on this, fast.

I assumed he would since Eury seems to be the biggest proponent against him right now :/ Also, bearclaw, what? Are you claiming?

Assuming Wen really is vig, he's all but certain to target Eury tonight. We'll have enough information to tell who's scum between the two of them tomorrow.

Kopf, if you're able to post before phase end, please give your reads, especially on bear, and explain why you felt it was necessary to claim when the day started.

I currently have a 3DS, but I really don't think the handheld's going to be comfortable for a fighting game. I'll probably only buy it for the Wii U unless Awakening characters end up being exclusive to 3DS or something.

Well, it doesn't look like Wen's wagon is going to fall apart any time soon. There are a a fair number of us who don't want him lynched, and I can see this happening if we collectively use our votes on either Eury or bear.

Right now, the case on Eury's looking far more solid to me than the case on Kopf. Until someone CCs vig, which isn't likely whether or not they exist, or Kopf fails to kill a reasonably scummy target D2, there's nothing concrete that points to him as scum. If Kopf was SK, he should've just not said anything and let everyone think Fleur was the NK. I don't understand why he'd draw attention to himself at all, or even vote RD. Hold on... even if someone claimed to have tracked Kopf, and he claimed vig after that, no one could prove that he's not vig. And besides, vig has every reason not to claim until necessary. However, I do agree that Kopf should give his reads. After an ISO of him, it seems that he's only offered thoughts about RD and eclipse, neither of whom are very relevant right now.

I'm wondering about these as well. Suppose Kopf is scum fakeclaiming vig. scum!Kopf can avoid having to kill scum simply by claiming roleblocked, since we know that there exists at least one scum hooker. Also, the fact that no one's counterclaimed vig introduces the possibility that there is no vig at all, which permanently protects scum!Kopf since neither town nor scum would have a reason to kill him. Still, there's nothing so far that disproves that town!Kopf and scum both targeted Fleur, so I've got a null read on him for now. Slightly bothered by Poly's reason for driving SB with me. I don't think he was as likely a target as myself for the NK, since I'd been the only claim alive. SB's a strong player, yes, but I don't understand why you'd prioritize meta over the claim in front of you. Saving SB also relies completely on your confidence that SB is actually town, which was supported only by D1 reads.

It's possible. SB claimed being roleblocked and redirected right as D2 started, though, so I'm not sure it would be in the NKer's interests to do this.

I ended up claiming Refa's action before he stated it, so I don't see what's wrong with the number of posts it took. As for clarification - I'm guessing you didn't read all of D2 yet? What we'd clarified was that there are only two confirmed hookers, as I'm a safeguard rather than a hooker. We'd used terminology I wasn't familiar with. What can I say, really... I'll try to be more concise in the future? Not true. We established that there's a lesser chance of a doctor existing than we could reasonably expect on D1, and we came up with scenarios we can refer to if and when we determine the existence of another hooker.

I followed Refa, and confirmed that he hooked someone. Terribly sorry for the confusion. To be clear now, I'm a 1-shot follower (now used up) and a 2-shot safeguard (neither used). Can't self-target; can't use both in one night.

More in my defense, in response to Flan.

My defense. Unnecessary read for those who don't suspect me.

What? Giving information about my role and night action is pointless? Voting a claimed informational town role without debunking the claim or offering any sort of argument as to why my claim could be false is inherently scummy, as is the way you've tried to wave off the information I've presented as simply "pointless." ##Vote: bearclaw

I might, if I die in Etrian. Otherwise, I don't think I can play two concurrent games, sorry.

I don't understand this either. Why does our current roleblocking scenario necessitate that either SB or BBM has to be scum?

Alright, last post from me for a bit. As of right now, I think we should hold off on lynching unless someone comes up with something more telling. There are too many sub-outs, and people who haven't posted in a while. It's possible that all of us who've been active since D2 start are just town and have been trying too hard to find fault among one another. And SB, perhaps you'd unvote me, now that it's clear that I'm a safeguard rather than a hooker? Unless there really exists such a thing as a scum safeguard?

o_o; My bad... I guess it's a good thing that we clarified that sooner than later, anyway.

Should we have each of the the roleblockers claim whether theirs is a "block actions affecting my target" or "block my target's actions"?