Prims Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 actually his name is Billy Bob McDonald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Pretty sure his name is Aragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 No, I'm Spartacus. Oh wait nobody actually said his name was Spartacus. I'll let myself out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/handicapable-mafia-postgame.3454699/ So here’s a way to take roles that are otherwise somewhat weak, Tracker and Watcher, sb directed me to this and i instantly went "what the actual fuck" who in their right mind thinks watcher is "weak" it's probably the strongest info role outside of cops in confirmed accurate result setups bonus points for being a soft protective role Edited November 3, 2013 by Manix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) actually so okay, i want some opinions on a similar topic then: in a closed setup where investigation results aren't accurate, what do you think some of the strongest town roles (single role, no multiroles/joat's/modifiers) would be? some of the weakest? use discretion on the weak roles, like don't use blatantly non-town roles like tailor/kidnapper etc (basically anything that is outright negative utility for town shouldn't be considered imo) Edited November 3, 2013 by Manix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 I'd say maybe an announcer or something like that but i have no real reason to back it up so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Strongest would be Question Asker/Sensor/Doctor/Bomb. Weakest depends more on the set-up than anything else. If naiive/paranoid/insane cops are a thing then being given cop would be a bastard. If not then announcer or something minor like that. Don't think it would change much, if anything at all. When considering strongest/weakest roles godfathers/millers and ninjas are put into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 QA/Sensor are strong as hell, and Cop/Watcher are pretty good too. Weakest is stuff like Announcer. Empowerer is pretty weak too I guess, but it has a function. Ascetic can be a pretty detrimental role if it's on it's own too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Safeguard is generally pretty bad. Cop is good even if it isn't guaranteed to be right. QA/Sensor are OP without a lot of nerfs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 pretty much every site I've been to but SF thinks Watcher is weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 how Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 actually so okay, i want some opinions on a similar topic then: in a closed setup where investigation results aren't accurate, what do you think some of the strongest town roles (single role, no multiroles/joat's/modifiers) would be? some of the weakest? use discretion on the weak roles, like don't use blatantly non-town roles like tailor/kidnapper etc (basically anything that is outright negative utility for town shouldn't be considered imo) Strongest: I'd probably go with public dayvig. Forces a flip and discussion about it. Weakest: My style of courier (courier can't claim who they are). It's private, one-way, and visits (so if the target is killed by a ninja, and a watcher is on the victim, the courier is SOL). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Courier can't claim in the message or in thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Courier can't claim in the message or in thread? Can't claim in their message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 how because people who play OC like straight up results such as "X IS MAFIA" and "Y IS TOWN" instead of having to actually apply effort to their results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) On the watcher/tracker thing: I can see why some people might consider both of them weaker roles. Watcher is definitely stronger than tracker though and can be OP in some setups, but weaker in setups without straight protection (like doctor). it mostly depends on the rest of the setup I think tbh Edited November 3, 2013 by The Best SK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 courier is already weak when you don't put limitations on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conqueror Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) Watcher is only weak if you compare it to lolOP roles like Cop/Sensor. Watcher gets really good with stuff like Watcher/Doc combos though yeah. Edited November 3, 2013 by Conqueror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 needs more scum!nnouncers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Touhou NOCfia had two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 how about a cult leader!announcer that sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 how about a cult leader!mayor that sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 i just realized I started this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 quality psych Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 acceptable mistake or psych moment? probably the latter, considering it says he started it at the top of every page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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