Obama

[Paperblade]

@Bal: Why would you remind anyone of that jesus christ

[BBM]

the world isn't fair deal with it

note i'm not taking any sides here

If you want to talk about it from a less humanitarian perspective, we could talk about how that injection into GM prevented unemployment from rising more?

[Loki Laufeyson]

Edit: Actually, I don't think I should be that unfair to teens, lol.

Teehee. Now you know how can feel at times. :P

[Dark Sage]

Pus the man is like, 20 years old or some shit.

[Loki Laufeyson]

Pus the man is like, 20 years old or some shit.

*looks at my age*

Yeah point still stands.

[Hero]

You're not exactly correct. In fact... you aren't really correct at all.

First of all, it was my choice to move to Israel. I'll grant you that. But when your country is directly responsible for my country's future and the worst possible man for the job gets voted in, that means that I'm screwed because of... you.

Sorry to burst your bubble man, but whether the Democrats or the Republicans control the White House has very little to do with US foreign policy in the Old World. As somebody who follows international news this was something that wasn't easy for me to accept but it's true. It's not hard to see that Obama's foreign policy is a continuation of Bush's, which is in turn a continuation of Clinton's, etc. Administrations come and go, but State Department employees straight up to the top levels are technocrats who usually stay put. Consequently, actual policy formulation and direct international dialogue tends to be somewhat independent of the latest rhetorical nuance out of the White House. The State Department is sometimes responsive to public opinion, but apart from that its activities are pretty divorced from our day to day political process.

Secondly, I can be 100% sure that Obama isn't on Israel's side because he still refers to the West Bank as "occupied territories". It's Israeli land. We treat the Arabs in our country like equals (did you know that Arab parties in the Israeli government hold 7/120 seats all together?). If Egypt attacks Israel, will Obama seriously condemn the attack? What about if Lebanon does? He clearly sees Israel in the wrong no matter what (not to mention that he hates our PM).

News flash: The entire world refers to the West Bank as "occupied territories" despite the history of the area. Do you really think that a President Romney would have used a different terminology? George Bush didn't, and neither did his father or Ronald Reagan before him. Where's the motivation in that?

As for Obama not condemning an Egyptian attack on Israel: http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=284997

If Egypt attacks Israel, they can expect the immediate cessation of US aid and political support. And knowing Obama, he would probably also take powerful steps to support Israel's war effort because to fail to do so would mean a major embarrassment for the Democrats and resultant losses at the polls. Believe it or not popular support for Israel is very widespread in the US even among non-Jews, it's probably the only country apart from Israel itself where a majority (about 65%) of the population hold a positive opinion about Israel as opposed to a strictly neutral or outright negative one. It's true that Obama and Netanyahu hate each other personally, but in this part of the world diplomatic relationships aren't governed by personal relationships. I think that Obama's spectacle in the UN in 2011 was ample proof of where his true loyalties lie, especially keeping in mind that a major plank of his election platform in 2008 was improving relations with the Muslim world.

By the way, if you really think Morsi is about to launch a repeat of 1973 I think that you're pretty out of touch with what's actually happening in Egypt right now. I mean, anything is possible, and it's true that the risk of terrorist attacks across the border from Sinai is only becoming greater, but that was also an issue during Mubarak's tenure. Obviously the Ikhwan will never be Israel's best friend but I don't see how they represent a greater threat to Israel than the previous regime. I guess there's that they have a closer working relationship with Hamas, but do you really think that the Egyptian army in its current state would mobilize because of another Cast Lead? I just don't see it.

Lebanon is a different story. I very much doubt that Lebanon will launch a war on Israel anytime soon, the country is too divided already, but Hezbullah has certainly been pushed into a corner in the last months and I could see anything happening from that corner. I suppose it all depends on what signals come out of the Assad government in Syria and Tehran.

We have elections coming up at the end of January. There will probably be a war here by next June. Probably with Hamas again. War will happen, the question is when and with who. I know I'm voting Yair Lapid but the chance that Netanyahu gets back in just got a lot higher.

Last point. Wars here are still fought with guns. I don't do guard duty with a loaded rifle just for show.

How can you be certain the war is coming to Israel this summer, if you aren't certain that that anybody will begin that war? Pessimists say this every year about the Middle East, war is coming this summer, war is coming this fall, war is coming this spring, you would think that the whole region was erupting like Syria. Why wasn't the war this fall, or this summer, like so many experts predicted?

That took a bit longer to type than I thought it would. Far From the Forest probably isn't the best place for this kind of thing, but oh well.

[Hero]

Romney wouldn't be offering my country piece by piece to appease religious psychos. Romney wouldn't just sit by, let Iran acquire a nuke and then after Tel Aviv is nothing more than a hole in the earth, say "Oops, I guess they were actually going to do that".

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4284423,00.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4295680,00.html

You understand that this distinction between the Obama and Romney platforms existed only in your mind? And the idea that Obama would just stand by and let the Iranians drop a nuclear bomb wherever they want is completely preposterous. Standard Democratic Party kumbaya rhetoric aside, Obama's record is anything but dovish.

There was supposed to be a war here last year. It didn't happen thanks to under-the-table deals made but there will be one within the next two years for a fact. And it will also be the first war in Israeli history where America stood firm... on the side of murderers.

I used to not be very proud of my country of origin but I hate when people speak slanderous distortions about it. I would think a completely self-conscious Israeli like you would be more careful about that kind of thing. You have no proof, and what you are saying is simply not true.

These are some very extreme opinions you are relating, I would say it even strays into the realm of conspiracy theory. I think you've been paying way too much credence to right wing news sources. That's never a good idea, you can go outright delusional if you take it too far. Unless of course you're actually a right winger, in which case you probably believe everybody who isn't one is delusional.

[Anouleth]

It's silly to argue with Life. He's already made up his mind that everything that Obama says about Israel is a lie, and that all of his support towards Israel is just a smokescreen, and that he wants Israel to be destroyed.

[Life]

It's silly to argue with Life. He's already made up his mind that everything that Obama says about Israel is a lie, and that all of his support towards Israel is just a smokescreen, and that he wants Israel to be destroyed.

Pretty sure Romney had it right on this one. Or maybe I'm just dreaming of rocket attacks on Be'er Sheva?

[Original Alear]

It's silly to argue with Life. He's already made up his mind that everything that Obama says about Israel is a lie, and that all of his support towards Israel is just a smokescreen, and that he wants Israel to be destroyed.

Why would you argue with Life. Life is what it is. There's no changing it.

[Parrhesia]

[spoiler=ITT, Sore Winner]

[08:41:51] * BRShooter (BRShooter@is707252.reshsg.uci.edu) has joined #serenes_forest

[08:42:11] <Big_Boss> BRShooter, you can be awoken in peace!

[08:42:29] <BRShooter> man i still had trouble sleeping last night

[08:42:38] <BRShooter> i was like a giddy little kid before christmas!

[08:42:44] <Big_Boss> lol

[08:43:54] <BRShooter> man i'm posting all of life's posts in the Obama thread to the schadenfreude thread in SA

[08:58:24] <BRShooter> man goddammit SA's server is still really shaky after all the romney toxxes got banned

[08:58:37] <Big_Boss> lmao

[08:59:08] <BRShooter> http://imgur.com/a/2OFTt

[08:59:11] <BRShooter> anyway

[08:59:15] <BRShooter> posted for posterity

[08:59:27] <BRShooter> in the SA schadenfreude (right wing tears) thread

[09:14:07] <BRShooter> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3515797&perpage=40&pagenumber=24#post409350327

[09:14:18] <BRShooter> yay

[09:14:25] <Big_Boss> Sorry, you must be a registered forums member to view this page.

[09:14:27] <Big_Boss> :(

[09:14:40] <BRShooter> Thank you for this, this guy is fucking hilarious.

[09:14:40] <BRShooter> "If the economy sinks, it hits the rich harder than the poor since they have more to lose." :allears:

[09:29:46] <BRShooter> "I don't understand social issues or economics, but I do know black people are to blame!"

[09:30:21] <BRShooter> i like how life and bal are going on about economics

[09:30:32] <BRShooter> because they sound like they have all the economic understanding of a 15-year old who read Atlas Shrugged

[10:50:07] <BRShooter> oh oh new response to the album compilation of life's posts in the Obama thread

[10:50:13] <BRShooter> It would be nice if the Democratic party would abide by their voter's wishes and just say fuck off completely to Israel. No more aid in funding or weapons, no more sticking up for them or getting them out of trouble with UN vetos. Let them handle their own problems.

[10:50:14] <BRShooter> That guy would probably have a heart attack. :allears:

[10:51:36] <BRShooter> SA is having a field day with people like life

[10:51:44] <BRShooter> we're all bathing in the tea party/republican tears

[10:52:22] <ronery_printer> well i mean doesnt life live in israel

[10:52:46] <BRShooter> he thinks israel's doomed and that america is doomed and he's having a complete meltdown because obama won

[10:52:47] <BRShooter> it's glorious

[10:57:25] <BRShooter> sweet, sweet teapublican/republican nutjob tears

[11:17:36] <BRShooter> oh my god rush sounds like he's higher than Mount Everest right now

[11:18:06] <BRShooter> please drop an n-bomb for me today rush

[11:18:07] <BRShooter> please

[11:18:08] <BRShooter> for me

[11:18:11] <BRShooter> for mankind

[11:18:39] <BRShooter> "what creates prosperity"

[11:18:50] <BRShooter> TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VIEW OF RICH PEOPLE GETTING RICHER

[11:19:33] <BRShooter> "This is where we are today. We're outnumbered."

[11:19:34] <BRShooter> Aaaaaaaand there's the victimization complex

[11:19:47] <BRShooter> http://i.imgur.com/e6tPO.png

[11:19:54] <BRShooter> donald trump tears

[11:19:57] <BRShooter> mmmmmmmm

[11:22:12] <BRShooter> man Trump is capitalism at its core

[11:22:14] <BRShooter> tons of money

[11:22:19] <BRShooter> but never actually succeeds

[11:22:21] <BRShooter> but because he has tons of money

[11:22:24] <BRShooter> he's the best and WHOOPS

[11:31:30] <BRShooter> The National Suicide Prevention Hotline's number is 1-800-273-8255, or you can try to find a local alternative. Remember that suicide is a permanent solution to a four-year term.

[11:43:47] <BRShooter> man Life's posts in the Obama thread read like

[11:43:49] <BRShooter> verbal diarrhea

[11:43:55] <BRShooter> of Fox News/Drudge Report talking points

[11:44:07] <BRShooter> and shit like "FWD:FWD:FWD:Whites are the most oppressed group in America now"

[11:47:54] <BRShooter> man i'm tempted to respond to bryan's post in the thread syaing

[11:47:59] <BRShooter> you know Obama actually cut taxes for the middle class and raised them on the very top tax brackets so i'm sure you're not paying more in taxes now

[11:47:59] <BRShooter> unless you ARE in those higher tax brackets, in which case i'm sure you can live without a 15th Mercedes or a complete collection of whatever animes you like

[11:53:50] <BRShooter> lmfao Little Al is a Ron Paul supporter

[12:02:46] <BRShooter> man Ron Paul supporters seem to be either a) constitution fetishist libertarians (see: the guys who cheered at Ron Paul saying LET HIM DIE) or b) REALLY badly misinformed lefties who don't know anything about him besides his stances on weed and war

[12:03:42] <Kay> hey what's wrong with being a constitution fetishist libertarian

[12:04:53] <BRShooter> i thought "constitution fetishist, libertarian sociopath" was redundant

[12:04:54] <BRShooter> but whatever

[12:10:05] <BRShooter> gooooooooood

[12:10:31] <BRShooter> man among the few republicans i have on facebook

[12:10:35] <BRShooter> i'm not seeing nearly enough tears

[12:10:37] <BRShooter> :(

[12:10:41] <BRShooter> well there is this

[12:10:59] <BRShooter> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4549270417151&set=a.1089232798373.15551.1453052744&type=1

[12:11:10] <BRShooter> ABLOOBLOOBLOO OBAMA DIDN'T WIN THE REAL AMERICA HIS ELECTION IS INVALID

I get slightly more conservative every time CPP opens his mouth.

[Esme]

I think BRS would enjoy looking at my FB wall.

Oh gosh!

[Ansem]

Global warming is a myth

[Original Alear]

Global warming is a myth

It's true.

Just watch. July 1st 2013 will be colder than December 1st 2012. In fact, July 1st 2013 will be colder than any day currently on record in the last few billion years.

Edited November 10, 2012 by L1049

[Excellen Browning]

Haha, why would anyone ever move to israel. I've even heard Israel is experiencing an enormous brain drain. I mean sure you get rockets fired on you and bombed every once in a while, but what did you expect when you lock a people inside a patch of land and then start annexing their lands with shifty laws and methods? THat they'd love you? Did you think Israelian colonists terrorizing Palestinians out of their homes would make them love your people?

The saddest about all of this though is that stupid fucks like you use other people's deaths as an excuse to cause even more, head further down the path of mutual destruction, and all of it just because you're unwilling to pull your head out of your ass and be the bigger man.

Edited November 10, 2012 by Daigoji Excellen

[Florete]

Global warming is a myth

9/11 was an inside job.

[Baldrick]

It's true.

Just watch. July 1st 2013 will be colder than December 1st 2012

It's not unusual for winter to be colder than summer.

[tenkiforecast]

Global warming is a myth

-__-;

I have many, many, many observations to challenge that statement. One of these is the fact that Earth's climate is CONSTANTLY changing. Ever hear of the Little Ice Age, Medieval Climate Anomaly, heck, the actual Ice Age and Cretaceous climate were vastly different from the current climate.

I'm not even going to talk about the human impacts--Earth's climate changes naturally. It's evident in climatological records and proxy data sources, but also in historical texts.

[peener weener]

sir you just responded to dean

im pretty sure that means you lose

[Florete]

No one wants to challenge me :(?

[Original Alear]

It's not unusual for winter to be colder than summer.

Don't mistake me for a narrow-minded provincial boor.

I am making a prediction that transcends seasonal and local patterns.

EDIT:Btw - tenkiforecast, I saw you were reading this topic, I think your topics that look at things like that are totally awesome.

No one wants to challenge me :(?

What you said in your previous post was unquestionably true. I sometimes challenge such statements, but I never want to. Well, it was true according to my odd interpretation of "inside job."

Edited November 10, 2012 by L1049

[eclipse]

No one wants to challenge me :(?

I could, but it would be extremely tasteless and I have my boundaries.

[dondon151]

btw everyone it is actually okay for a government to run a deficit

just thought you guys should know before people scream debt again

anyway i find life's posts in this thread to be truly entertaining, and i'm not sure if he's taking himself seriously

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Edited November 10, 2012 by dondon151

[Tangerine]

I always think dondon is a bot or advertiser when he posts because his name is all lowercase with numbers in it, he has no avatar and his sig is full of links. True story.

I mean *tirade about government officials*

[Rehab]

No one wants to challenge me :(?

There's no question it destroyed the inside of a lot of things

:suicide: