Baldrick Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 On the subject of FE4 drafting; it was before my time, but people used to firstpick Ayra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 On the subject of drafting: FE10 drafters used to not pick Soren until well into Round 5 until I showed what he can do. And there was a time where Nolan was picked over Edward and Jill :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I've seen tier lists where Lehran was in Mid tier, despite likely being available for like 3 turns maximum. Something about not being around makes him average, so he should be in the most average tier. Man that's just wonkass middle of the roading Honestly though tiering based on availability totally skews a unit's worth, like oh Pent's only in 7 chapters or whatever but man if you're doing a playthrough of FE7 and not using Pent, what the hell is wrong with you And yet even as recent as like 2011 or whatever you'd see Pent in above average tier as if he wasn't god incarnate or something, sitting around next to bozos like Lowen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 "lightning speed" was pretty well fapped over, moreso than Rally Spectrum imo yeah but Galeforce is actually most likely the 2nd best skill in the game in LTC/speedruns/drafts/whatever On the subject of drafting: FE10 drafters used to not pick Soren until well into Round 5 until I showed what he can do. And there was a time where Nolan was picked over Edward and Jill :o I get Jill, but why is Edward that much better than Nolan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I get Jill, but why is Edward that much better than Nolan Arr. Nolan can rock the casbah. Edward > Nolan? Someone educate me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Edward saves 1 more turn than Nolan in drafts. EDIT: With the possibility of another turn that Nolan also can't replicate. But that one isnt guaranteed. Edited September 5, 2013 by PKL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Arr. Nolan can rock the casbah. Edward > Nolan? Someone educate me. It's a draft tier, not a normal tier Draft tiers make no sense to the layman, they require more explanatory notes than Inifinite Jest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Edward saves 1 more turn than Nolan in drafts. EDIT: With the possibility of another turn that Nolan also can't replicate. But that one isnt guaranteed. meh draft tiers, don't care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Galeforce is actually the second best skill in the game (second to Veteran in LTC; second to LB post game for all purposes). Not many people think it's actually bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 wolf, sedgar, and barst were better than caeda in FE11 and cord was once at the top of the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 wolf, sedgar, and barst were better than caeda in FE11 and cord was once at the top of the list .....HOW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 50/40 growths in str/spd as fighter with a fair spd base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Im more interested in how Sheeda used to be mid Tier, and how Catria was Top Tier >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I think caring about supports in the GBA games is the best one to look back on, haha. It was always funny when people tried to hype up a +1 speed support like it would ever actually get somewhere. And people thinking that Lethality was worth an Occult scroll in PoR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Lute is the best magican in FE8. And there is some people which still believe in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 And people thinking that Lethality was worth an Occult scroll in PoR. Too be fair, the problem isn't Lethality (FE9 version at least) but that, aside from Lethality, Volke simply isn't good at combat due to having a cruddy weapon-type. And Lute is still my favorite FE8 mage and second favorite FE mage behind Ilyana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 Lute is the best magican in FE8. And there is some people which still believe in this. The gap between the tome users isn't that huge in FE8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Too be fair, the problem isn't Lethality (FE9 version at least) but that, aside from Lethality, Volke simply isn't good at combat due to having a cruddy weapon-type. And Lute is still my favorite FE8 mage and second favorite FE mage behind Ilyana. True. Though even if you ignored that, you're looking at Volke only getting 25 crit at max in a game where the activation rate for Lethality is only crit/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 The gap between the tome users isn't that huge in FE8. Lute die in Ephraim route. In Erika she is OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy_One Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 True. Though even if you ignored that, you're looking at Volke only getting 25 crit at max in a game where the activation rate for Lethality is only crit/2. I'm sure people could find ways around that, like Gamble, wrath, killer weapons (if he wasn't knife-restricted), and the like. But it simply isn't worth it on a unit whose maximum possible MT is 31. As-is even Mist can trounce him in melee combat (16 STR + 13 silver-sword MT + 5 forge + 5 Boyd/Mordi support = 39 MT). Which is kinda sad because Volke's stats are actually on par/better than Boyd's weapon limitation and cap aside. Anyways, 'foot units automatically lose to mounted units'. More of a dictator-list thing that a concrete tier list, but FE10 showed this was untrue along with... Mia sucks! I know some people will argue she's bad in FE9, but there is no denying her power in FE10 either. Though, as I recall, for a short-time after the game release she was considered low-tier (fliers were better for movement, Eddie and Zihark helped out the weaker team, Lucia dominated part 2, and Stefan required no work). Once again this was more of a dictator-list thing than a tier-list, along with FE9 Haar being better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Lute is the best magican in FE8. And there is some people which still believe in this. Aren't Lute and Artur right next to each other on the tier list Or are we talking Saleh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 Aren't Lute and Artur right next to each other on the tier list Or are we talking Saleh The tier list dates back to several years ago (2010 iirc; dondon's warpskip tier list) and nobody cares to discuss it anymore. If I tried to order the magical units (staffers/tome users who eventually become staffers), it would look something like this: Top none High Saleh (Eirika) Artur Lute Upper Mid Moulder (he was terribly overestimated in dondon's list, probably because dondon had no time to staffspam with Saleh in 0% growths) Natasha Saleh (Ephraim) Mid - Lower Mid L'Arachel Knoll (does anyone still think summoning is useful nowadays? I know I don't) Low/Bottom Ewan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XeKr Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Mia sucks! I know some people will argue she's bad in FE9, but there is no denying her power in FE10 either. Though, as I recall, for a short-time after the game release she was considered low-tier (fliers were better for movement, Eddie and Zihark helped out the weaker team, Lucia dominated part 2, and Stefan required no work). Once again this was more of a dictator-list thing than a tier-list, along with FE9 Haar being better. FE9 Mia = saves a turn with bexp+shove. No mobility. No 1-2 range. FE10 Mia: Doesn't one round anything with any reliability, especially not at 1-2 range. The "counterculture" phenomenon is also interesting especially since FE13 has Frederick (who does fall off), Donnel (who, with a little investment, does severely outclass most maingame characters statwise), and internal levels (early promotion will noticeably gimp maingame stats). This Jeigan/Est/etc stuff can be played around by actual strategy/tactics, but many other players who take that kind of "expert" advice blindly might have some issues. I remember when Serra/Erk and even Mist got hype as combat units, Colm > Seth for a time, and FE10 Paladins/Fliers sucked. >_> A lot of these things also go in cycles. Titania is pitiful Jeigan -> is Titania tier -> doesn't fly Edward has the god stats -> blocks axes with his face -> pretty nice, saves dem turns There’s a few nitpicky points that have stood for a long time like Titania/Haar being the best of their respective games when it’s quite arguable (personally not completely convinced of the reliability of the other options though). I don’t think anyone actually cares to argue it though. Either one understands the underlying principles or doesn’t (or does and still doesn't care) and I think we’re no longer all young enough to rage incessantly about it. And buyable Rescue is still underhyped. Not even mentioned yet, pfft Edited September 5, 2013 by XeKr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I remember where Rescue staffs used to be disliked for not being Warp staffs on the Awakening board. Not the case now...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 True. Though even if you ignored that, you're looking at Volke only getting 25 crit at max in a game where the activation rate for Lethality is only crit/2. now if Lethality was crit/2 in RD, Volke would've been pretty great for the few chapters you had him...! I remember where Rescue staffs used to be disliked for not being Warp staffs on the Awakening board. Not the case now...! imagine if Awakening also had Warp staves DEM TURNCOUNTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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