Prims Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 you said their fakeclaim was crappy which made me think you were trying to say it should've looked bad on d1 too also for the record I lied to get blitz off my back, I claimed miller because: - people on SF give millers a pass for no reason and I wanted to coast (this was 100% real) - SF always gives miller power roles for some god damn reason and I wanted to WIFOM scum - if the cop isn't scanning you it increases the odds of it getting a guilty - tbh mostly just because I thought it'd be funny wouldn't do it again but it was fun to try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I meant bad in context of the game considering all roles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I maintain Innocent Child + Masons + Methodical Doc wouldn't be that crazy. Maybe not balanced, but not crazy (and if we assume optimal set-up design we wouldn't have figured out the 4 scum anyway wwwww). tbh I suspected that if Marf was lying then *YLO was because the masons were actually town lovers which would balance things further. I am kind of surprised Blitz didn't claim and go "uh this is kind of weird guys", I understand Poly though since the quickhammer happened first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) tfw the only time in recent history we had a NOC game where nobody was salty about the set-up was the game with jesters in it Edited January 10, 2015 by Prims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 people love complaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) it's almost like the lovers have to take the kill until they die (unless scum want to gimp their investigation protection in the dark) and the watcher can still see kills on 7/9 of the other townies. including the IC yeah sure i'll cede that cop was far too nerfed and doc was also, but i will still maintain that scum were not as well off either edit: the scumteam was made up particularly to have major weaknesses in night actions (kill order is lover > lawyer > nothing, at least one mafia was going to scan as guilty (aside from miller claim)), but since they managed to actually get best case scenario, it didn't matter. Edited January 11, 2015 by Curly Brace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 They could've claimed tracker and vanilla or some shit with zero relation at all to each other and what would town do then? Possibly lynched one of Refa/Weapons (iirc they both had some heat on them ed1) and then the game would have been 9/2 with only one mafia member capable of performing the NK? If the game is swingy as fuck both ways it's not entirely unlike a balanced setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 games that can be swingy in both directions rarely end up being balanced because the swing benefits the faction with the better start before it can benefit the other faction, so that faction will snowball and win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 id say that swingy set-ups just aren't really fun to play but people still join my large games so what do i know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 i think swingy setups can be interesting as long as there's a lot of power going around to make up for it (so the swing is less noticeable) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) If both factions have a good chance of getting that good start it's balanced in the sense it's not town-sided or scum-sided. Though sudden death D1 isn't something one should strive for in game design. Edited January 11, 2015 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I knew Prims would pick up on the lovers stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 tfw the only time in recent history we had a NOC game where nobody was salty about the set-up was the game with jesters in it It was an open setup, so if you were salty about it then you fucking had it coming. :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Possibly lynched one of Refa/Weapons (iirc they both had some heat on them ed1) and then the game would have been 9/2 with only one mafia member capable of performing the NK? If the game is swingy as fuck both ways it's not entirely unlike a balanced setup.You're still arguing the poor play in context of what people actually did compared to the actual setup of if the game was actually balanced. This makes no sense because you are saying "The town could have played better" which is obviously true but dismissing the counterpoint that the mafia could have played better, in which case the mafia still has a huge advantage. And the setup wasn't swingy so much as whoever had better luck at the start would win, which is just not really fun (unless you're the team that's steamrolling I guess?) Edit: I'm not really mad, it's just I don't like these kind of setups and I think most people dislike being on the receiving end of these kind of setups. I died N1 after being out of town for half of D1 wtf is there for me to be mad about other than people going "lol u mad?" Edited January 11, 2015 by Paperblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yea kool thx m8s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I was right about Bluedoom this is a triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Why are cross aligned lovers good design again? Manix didn't you learn from healer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Lynching mafia hurts town I mean. Twice. Yea idk I couldve played a lot better but custody shit happened and kinda hope ppl remember this game when they say elie has bad logic so hes town idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Weren't the lovers both mafia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I was right about Bluedoom this is a triumph There was nothing truimphant about the way you voted me but ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Why are cross aligned lovers good design again?they aren't if you're talking about what could have been in the setup i at least got rid of them in the other case then i have no idea where this comment came from Edited January 11, 2015 by Curly Brace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 [10/01/2015 11:36:24 PM] Manix: scum lovers is fine [10/01/2015 11:36:30 PM] Manix: town/scum is the worst and i will fight over that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 That's what I meant @ predesign silliness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Thank goodness I didn't have to sub in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDRHAWK Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 thank goodness I was on a plane when this ended I had no fucking clue what I was doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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