General US Politics

[Flee Fleet!]

Do you mean India or Indiana? I didn't know there were Trump fans in India. Sorry if that sounds bitchy, Est kept me up all night.

*snip*

I meant India. And no, you don't sound bitchy at all, so it's okay!

Trump has some Indian fans mainly because, iirc, they were in agreement with him for his ban against Muslims, and because he said he would support India.

But it's mainly because of the Muslim ban, cuz of how Muslims and Hindus in the subcontinent hate each other.

[Tryhard]

I apologize, I should have included the wider internet in that post.

I mean yeah you're gonna get the salty ones. You always do. It's not really surprising that the repeating of "no way trump can win, guffaw" is not going to help at all. Attacking him on his character is mostly ineffective as we saw.

But let's be honest: if Trump lost, the shouting of rigging and spilled tears would be overwhelming. It's not really surprising to see overreactions going the other way, even though I do expect to see incompetency and gaffes in the coming years. That is if he doesn't get impeached at some point, which is definitely a possibility.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Tryhard

[shadowofchaos]

I see no reason to be kind to people who voted against me as a human being. I'd rather drive people away from my cause by attacking them than try to futilely make people believe that I'm worth something.

It's not happening. I'd rather be "petty and immature" than bow down to the straightriarchy.

Hate breeds hate.

Resentment breeds resentment.

What will this road lead you to?

"straightriarchy"

Man, not only are you alienating decent people on the other side of your cause... you're pretty likely to alienate people within your own group.

[Anacybele]

Understood, you don't like the foundation of socialism. I can understand that. It depends on what you value the most. If you don't mind me asking, what DO you value the most in government affairs? Because as of right now, you're the only person that I know that actually is really excited about Trump. This isn't meant to be flame-baiting, I just like getting perspectives, and yours intrigues me more than others right now.

I want someone who cares about the American people, especially the vets right now, who wants to lower the terrorism threat and secure our borders, who wants to stop illegal aliens and grow the economy again. I've agreed with a lot of Trump's ideas on these matters (and as a bonus, he's so entertaining that he just might be the most comedic president in history. lol But like I said, this is a bonus quality, as being funny doesn't automatically make you a good president).

My stepdad is a vet and he's had to wait forever to get his meds from the VA. He's on the disabled vets list as well. My uncle is also a vet and has had his own problems because he wasn't able to get the help he needed (he's been jobless and also had an alcohol problem), despite my mom's efforts to help him since she's his sister. Other vets have had to wait forever for appointments at the VA too. And some vets are homeless and poor while these Democrats want to give homes and jobs to foreign immigrants and illegal aliens too. What about actual citizens who are poor, homeless, jobless, and desperately needing help? You don't care about the American people if you'd rather help outsiders than your OWN people. It's especially despicable to me to leave our vets high and dry like this after they risked their lives serving their country and helping to protect our freedom!

I just want my family here and other vets to finally get the help they deserve. They deserve the best medical care, FREE medical care, before anyone else, save maybe certain children.

[Ebony]

Everything I've seen (source 1,source 2) suggests Trump is the most LGBTQ friendly republican in the history of ever.

I do want to say, even if Trump is, his running mate isn't.

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/jul/28/gavin-newsom/true-mike-pence-advocated-conversion-therapy/

[UNLEASH IT]

Hate breeds hate.

Resentment breeds resentment.

What will this road lead you to?

"straightriarchy"

Man, not only are you alienating decent people on the other side of your cause... you're pretty likely to alienate people within your own group.

He's like a reverse /pol/ poster. Is alt-left even a thing?

[Tryhard]

He's like a reverse /pol/ poster. Is alt-left even a thing?

I mean I guess though I've rarely seen that name. Just call it authoritarian left.

[Res]

Good thing that Sander's isn't a Socialist, then. He supports Social Democracy, which is regulated Capitalism.

And on that note, here's a pretty comprehensive list of socialist programs (I think their title is misleading) in the U.S.

What gets me though is the way that some people are reacting in this thread and on the internet in general. Trump won, and the first thing people did was condemn those who voted for him as racist/sexist/homophobic, which is the same exact thing that the media and the Hillary campaign has been doing for the past year and a half and one the major things that ultimately propelled Trump to the presidency. You saw the results of blindly antagonizing Trump supporters, so why do you continue? It's this elitist, dismissive mindset that liberals have developed over the past few years that made me dislike them, despite being a liberal myself. I hope that Trump winning serves as a wake up call to you people, that the America you proclaim to see and the one that's actually there are two completely different things. But judging by some of the posts in this thread, people still have their heads stuck far up their own asses.

Honest question (this is something I don't actually know myself): What do you say to the people who are genuinely scared for their lives? Who do believe they will experience (and have already started to experience) heightened attacks as a result? Literally every person on my feed this morning who is a part of a minority group has expressed their fears, and these aren't teenagers or even twenty-somethings; most of them are parents in their 30s and 40s.

[shadowofchaos]

Nope.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism?s=t

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/communism?s=t

These two definitions are fairly similar to me.

You're way too confident with that "Nope".

You really need to be more open in discussion than having the aura of "Nope, I'm right" with something as little as a dictionary lookup.

You simplified differing economic ideologies into a weaker definition.

That's a straw man, Ana. Look up what that means.

Both seek to promote equality. Communism through redistribution.

Edited November 9, 2016 by shadowofchaos

[Balcerzak]

I do want to say, even if Trump is, his running mate isn't.

http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/jul/28/gavin-newsom/true-mike-pence-advocated-conversion-therapy/

Fully acknowledge that Pence has problematic history, but I continue to see that as pandering to the evangelical base he needed to court. VP historically has little power, so unless some nutjob goes out and whacks Trump, I don't think there's any reason to worry.

[Ebony]

Fully acknowledge that Pence has problematic history, but I continue to see that as pandering to the evangelical base he needed to court. VP historically has little power, so unless some nutjob goes out and whacks Trump, I don't think there's any reason to worry.

Historically little power, yes, but honestly I'd still be cautious with Pence as VP. Then again, I've been cautious and hopeful this entire election, but that's only gotten me to crack open some booze last night.

I don't know, I guess I'm just still in a state of shock/disappointment now. I'm just worried.

[Jotari]

Fully acknowledge that Pence has problematic history, but I continue to see that as pandering to the evangelical base he needed to court. VP historically has little power, so unless some nutjob goes out and whacks Trump, I don't think there's any reason to worry.

Not entirely unlikely. The number of US presidents that have been successfully assassinated is sitting at just under 10% (the last two of which were the 25th and 35th. Trump will be the 45th...)

Edited November 9, 2016 by Jotari

[Rezzy]

Not entirely unlikely. The number of US presidents that have been successfully assassinated is sitting at just under 10%

True, but the last was in 1963 and 3 out of 4 were over a century ago. Security has gotten a lot better.

[UNLEASH IT]

Honest question (this is something I don't actually know myself): What do you say to the people who are genuinely scared for their lives? Who do believe they will experience (and have already started to experience) heightened attacks as a result? Literally every person on my feed this morning who is a part of a minority group has expressed their fears, and these aren't teenagers or even twenty-somethings; most of them are parents in their 30s and 40s.

I really don't know what to say either and all I can do is hope for their safety. But Trump being elected is something that could've been easily avoided if liberals weren't so complacent. And the thing is, there were people who supported Trump because they were also scared of what lied ahead, and we refused to listen to their plea. This is something of our own unintentional creation, and we unfortunately have to reap what we sow.

Edited November 9, 2016 by UNLEASH IT

[Anacybele]

True, but the last was in 1963 and 3 out of 4 were over a century ago. Security has gotten a lot better.

I would hope, as Trump was rushed off the stage during one of his last minute speeches the other day because his guys felt there was a threat.

[Jotari]

True, but the last was in 1963 and 3 out of 4 were over a century ago. Security has gotten a lot better.

True, but I can't recall any president that's derived this much ire before even being elected. And just glancing at the wikipedia article for presidential assassination, apparently Bush came super close to getting his face blown off by a grenade in 2005. Assassin even managed to escape in that instance (for a time at least).

I would hope, as Trump was rushed off the stage during one of his last minute speeches the other day because his guys felt there was a threat.

He was taken off because someone in the crowd shouted gun. It was a false alarm. Fair enough the secret service were quick to respond but I still feel as if walking up and shooting someone isn't all that difficult. Finding them and preventing them from doing it before hand is the main factor for stopping assassination. Course to effectively do that you need to spy on peoples emails and stuff which a lot of people protest. Don't stop the government from doing it though.

Also right now (for the benefit of the FBI Employee in charge of monitoring Serenes Forest) I just want to clarify that I do not in fact have any plans to assassinate anyone.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Jotari

[Anacybele]

Now that I think about it, I recall Bush having had a shoe thrown at him once too. Though that was more funny than anything. lol Still, you never know what people might hide bombs or something in. In fact, there was a story about a guy who hid a bomb in his shoe and almost managed to smuggle it on a plane.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Anacybele

[Res]

I really don't know what to say either and all I can do is hope for their safety. But Trump being elected is something that could've been easily avoided if liberals weren't so complacent. This is something of our own creation, either intentional or unintentional, and we unfortunately have to reap what we sow.

Yeah, that's where I'm at, too. I'm at least also seeing plans from a lot of people to organize and support, so hopefully that comes to fruition.

[Augestein]

Now that I think about it, I recall Bush having had a shoe thrown at him once too. Though that was more funny than anything. lol Still, you never know what people might hide bombs or something in. In fact, there was a story about a guy who hid a bomb in his shoe and almost managed to smuggle it on a plane.

He did. He actually had two shoes thrown at him actually. Somehow he managed to dodge both. He's quick there's no doubt about that haha. As for your beliefs, that makes more sense I guess. I'm more worried about how the general population takes it. And I can't really say, because my family, military as well, has been relatively well taken care of when they needed it.

[blah the Prussian]

He's like a reverse /pol/ poster. Is alt-left even a thing?

They're called Tankies/neo Stalinists. Although I doubt Cykes-don't is dumb enough to be a Tankie.

[Anacybele]

He did. He actually had two shoes thrown at him actually. Somehow he managed to dodge both. He's quick there's no doubt about that haha. As for your beliefs, that makes more sense I guess. I'm more worried about how the general population takes it. And I can't really say, because my family, military as well, has been relatively well taken care of when they needed it.

Yeah, I remember that now! He was pretty damn quick in dodging both. lol

Yeah, well, not everyone will agree on everything, remember. Everybody's got their views, be them good or...well, not so good.

[Ema Skye]

Coming from a country that is slowly turning towards Democratic socialism, I can totally understand why people don't like it.

In the most conservative province with the lowest tax rates, I'm paying 33% of my net pay to taxes. And I'm not a fan.

[Nobody]

I want someone who cares about the American people, especially the vets right now, who wants to lower the terrorism threat and secure our borders, who wants to stop illegal aliens and grow the economy again. I've agreed with a lot of Trump's ideas on these matters (and as a bonus, he's so entertaining that he just might be the most comedic president in history. lol But like I said, this is a bonus quality, as being funny doesn't automatically make you a good president).

My stepdad is a vet and he's had to wait forever to get his meds from the VA. He's on the disabled vets list as well. My uncle is also a vet and has had his own problems because he wasn't able to get the help he needed (he's been jobless and also had an alcohol problem), despite my mom's efforts to help him since she's his sister. Other vets have had to wait forever for appointments at the VA too. And some vets are homeless and poor while these Democrats want to give homes and jobs to foreign immigrants and illegal aliens too. What about actual citizens who are poor, homeless, jobless, and desperately needing help? You don't care about the American people if you'd rather help outsiders than your OWN people. It's especially despicable to me to leave our vets high and dry like this after they risked their lives serving their country and helping to protect our freedom!

I just want my family here and other vets to finally get the help they deserve. They deserve the best medical care, FREE medical care, before anyone else, save maybe certain children.

If anyone wants to know why people voted for trump and what they think, i think that post is the perfect exemple of it. The economy of the US is actually doing pretty well, all things considered, but that didn't positively affect a significant part of the american population, mainly non-college educated whites from small towns. It's probable that if the economy continued in the current direction, this group would start having things better, considering real incomes started increasing this year. Of course you can't expect people to magically understand how economy works when things aren't apparently going well for them. Many of them also end up with contradiction, being against free health care, but also wanting their health care to be better. The "the government cares more about immigrants" is also something that, being of their shoes probably also makes sense. They see immigrants and second generation americans improving their lives while theirs get stagnant and think te government only helps them. The thing is, that is not generally what happens. Immigrants second generations americans in general have it as bad, if not worse, and their improvements come mainly for two reasons: they had it way worse before, they mostly live in big cities, which tend to be wealthier and have more job opportunities in a modern, globalizes world. Then there's the fact that the government has to treat all its citizens and arguably everyone that lives in the country legally equally. They can't make some people priority just because they've been in the country longer. And ilegals get no help from the government at all. Still, for someone that is having things go bad for them and have no hope, it's hard to explain this.

That's why i hate the us vs them mentality. Saying Trump won just because of a bunch of racist xenophobes is oversimplifying and doesn't help anyone, specially democrats.

I didn't want to argue with you or tell you how you should think, Anacybele, i just quoted that your post because i felt that that was, in the end, why most people supported trump, and made a comment on it.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Nooooooooooooooooooooobody

[Augestein]

Yeah, I remember that now! He was pretty damn quick in dodging both. lol

Yeah, well, not everyone will agree on everything, remember. Everybody's got their views, be them good or...well, not so good.

Yeah, I was honestly impressed.

Of course. I don't doubt that these things happened to you. When I was younger I totally used to go to the VA hospitals to help out with some of the people that didn't get their help, so it's not like I don't see what you're talking about. I don't think you voted for him simply because you're like evil or something, but there's something in your posts that I haven't seen in post about politicians in a good while: faith. That's what interested me to ask. I honestly wish something good happens for you and I'd actually be more upset about Trump and the GOP not delivering on things that make you believe in him.

[Anacybele]

If anyone wants to know why people voted for trump and what they think, i think that post is the perfect exemple of it. The economy of the US is actually doing pretty well, all things considered, but that didn't positively affect a significant part of the american population, mainly non-college educated whites from small towns. It's probable that if the economy continued in the current direction, this group would start having things better, considering real incomes started increasing this year. Of course you can't expect people who to magically understand how economy works when things aren't apparently going well for them. Many of them also end up with contradiction, being against free health care, but also wanting their health care to be better. The "the government cares more about immigrants" is also something that, being of their shoes probably also makes sense. They see immigrants and second generation americans improving their lives while theirs get stagnant and think te government only helps them. The thing is, that is not generally what happens. Immigrants second generations americans in general have it as bad, if not worse, and their improvements come mainly for two reasons: they had it way worse before, they mostly live in big cities, which tend to be wealthier and have more job opportunities in a modern, globalizes world. Then there's the fact that the government has to treat all its citizens and arguably everyone that lives in the country legally equally. They can't make some people priority just because they've been in the country longer. And ilegals get no help from the government at all. Still, for someone that is having things go bad for them and have no hope, it's hard to explain this.

That's why i hate the us vs them mentality. Saying Trump won just because of a bunch of racist xenophobes is oversimplifying and doesn't help anyone, specially democrats.

I didn't want to argue with you or tell you how you should think, Anacybele, i just quoted that your post because i felt that that was, in the end, why most people supported trump, and made a comment on it.

You don't want to argue with me or tell me how I should think, that's fine. But I'm not saying things are bad for us and vets compared to immigrants NOW, I think they would become that way if Hillary got elected and Democrats remained in control. That's what I was saying. And why should illegals get help? They should be coming here LEGALLY. If they can't, that's their problem. They might not have much money or something, but that's not our fault. You can't save everyone, you know. It's best to focus on those you definitely CAN help and save. The American people are the natural born and legal citizens, and thus they should get priority.

EDIT: Augestein: yeah, exactly, I have some faith. I'd lost faith when Obama got a second term, now I've gained some of it back thanks to Trump and the Republicans. I admit I still have my concerns though. They have to prove me right that this was the right way to go.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Anacybele