Xenomata Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Ice Dragon said: Holy shit that's a lot of free Sacred Coins. I'm not even done with all the Sacred Seal Forge quests, and I'm already only 10 coins away from being able to fully upgrade a SS I already own. That's... absurd, especially considering we JUST had a voting gauntlet, aka 135 Sacred Coins total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 49 minutes ago, Clogon said: Did you know that you can actually sort your units via Rating? Sadly, they did not update it to the new Arena rating. I think we should give them feedback to update that. I always thought that rating was just BST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mampfoid said: I always thought that rating was just BST. It is. (Hence why it's pointless.) Edit: Rating isn't even pre-skill BST, which is what Arena score is based on, it's post-skill BST, which is even shittier than just showing you BST, because things like brave weapons are undervalued, and fury and the like is hilariously over valued. Edited November 12, 2017 by DehNutCase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackc2 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, mampfoid said: I always thought that rating was just BST. You are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampfoid Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 hour ago, DehNutCase said: It is. (Hence why it's pointless.) Edit: Rating isn't even pre-skill BST, which is what Arena score is based on, it's post-skill BST, which is even shittier than just showing you BST, because things like brave weapons are undervalued, and fury and the like is hilariously over valued. Do you have any idea which seal to upgrade for arena scoring? I have DD and Brash Assault on level 3, Panic ploy on 2. Panic Ploy plus another seal will be upgraded to level 3, or would QP seal be almost equivalent to a level 3 seal? Candidates are Hardy Bearing (no idea about the scoring/SP cost), Deflect X (not yet level 1), ATK Ploy or ATK Smoke. What I dislike is that most of the seals at level 3 don't have a big difference gameplay-wise to their level 2 version. Without the arena scoring I would have most of the seals at level 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomata Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I just had a thought... Why have we never had a Seasonal Sword unit? Whenever new units are added, of course expect at least one or two swords, but if you're going to dress for Halloween, god forbid you further saturate the already oversaturated Sword market we have already. Hell, the one Valor skill not on a seasonal is Sword Valor... why is it okay to keep throwing Swords at the regular unit pool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackc2 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Hmm... I wonder if I should kill my Takumi to build a close counter boey or if I should just keep the pineapple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, mampfoid said: Do you have any idea which seal to upgrade for arena scoring? I have DD and Brash Assault on level 3, Panic ploy on 2. Panic Ploy plus another seal will be upgraded to level 3, or would QP seal be almost equivalent to a level 3 seal? Candidates are Hardy Bearing (no idea about the scoring/SP cost), Deflect X (not yet level 1), ATK Ploy or ATK Smoke. What I dislike is that most of the seals at level 3 don't have a big difference gameplay-wise to their level 2 version. Without the arena scoring I would have most of the seals at level 2. Seals should be the same as skills, that is, it's their SP costs that matter, so you can just look up their regular skill versions. Unfortunately, 'unique' seals like QP, Hardy Bearing, etc. don't have base skills, so you'd have to either test their values yourself, find someone who already did and posted the results, or just guess. (I am very much not a tester person, I'm very much a 'hey, that data looks about the same as my experiences, so I'll use that until I find something wrong with it' kind of person, so I'm afraid I don't have any hard data I can point to for you.) IIRC, QP should be a around half a merge of points (actually more like .75, but whatever), that is, about a 150 pt point like drag back or lunge, from an old reddit post on arena score testing. And, if I had to guess, Deflect seals are 240 SP skills. Why? Because they cost 50 sacred coins to make, and spurs cost 30 coins and are 200 point skills. They could also be 300 pt skills, but all the 300 skill point skills have been single level skills, whereas 240 pt skills are often the third tier of a 'special' skill like renewal or swift sparrow. Edit: Mind, I wouldn't worry too much about arena scoring, assuming you're always higher than T17. Why? Because arena score is something that costs feathers (for merges and skill upgrades) to obtain, and what do you get out of it? Feathers. You don't even get more feathers out of it than you spend---T20 is only 1k/week more than T19, and the score requirement grows far, far, faster than .05 points/week (which is how much score a single merge, divided by 20, would get you). AA is a different beast, and high score matters there, but the advantage of AA is that you can cheese the score requirement with total crap units you'll never use anywhere else, but offer tons of score (like armors with Prf and unique skills, *cough* Hector *cough,* trainee dragons, trainee armors, trainee infantry with Prfs (B!Ike, Ayra), etc. etc.) to inflate your score. Edited November 12, 2017 by DehNutCase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Xenomata said: I just had a thought... Why have we never had a Seasonal Sword unit? I think it’s balanced out by the fact that almost every other banner adds a sword unit to the game. Seasonals are unique and need a good reason to pull for other than “I like this unit”, hence why the seasonal pool has more variety other than melee infantry like traditional banners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilas Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, Xenomata said: I just had a thought... Why have we never had a Seasonal Sword unit? Whenever new units are added, of course expect at least one or two swords, but if you're going to dress for Halloween, god forbid you further saturate the already oversaturated Sword market we have already. Hell, the one Valor skill not on a seasonal is Sword Valor... why is it okay to keep throwing Swords at the regular unit pool? Swordies deserve to use joke weapons, too! Like the Daikon Radish! I mean I'm not sure what season that could be celebrating, but it's a start! Still not over the fact Daikon Radish is a dual-wielded sword weapon in Fates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Clearly they're saving the seasonal sword units for the levin sword introduction, to milk that whale money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomata Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: I think it’s balanced out by the fact that almost every other banner adds a sword unit to the game. Seasonals are unique and need a good reason to pull for other than “I like this unit”, hence why the seasonal pool has more variety other than melee infantry like traditional banners. I mean it makes sense in explanation, but just take the last batch of new units. We had 3 new Sword units in a total of 6 new units. I know swords are on the freaking logo more often than anything else (even though I don't think the Fire Emblem object has ever been a sword...), but I think it's okay to chill out with swords now. 3 minutes ago, mcsilas said: Swordies deserve to use joke weapons, too! Like the Daikon Radish! I mean I'm not sure what season that could be celebrating, but it's a start! Still not over the fact Daikon Radish is a dual-wielded sword weapon in Fates I'm having more and more doubts that the Robin we seen in the Christmas Datamine is a Sword user despite looking like a Sword user. ...also wouldn't Daikon Radishes fit the theme of some sort of Harvest Festival? Are Daikon Radishes something you harvest? Also thinking of the 4koma strip where M!Kana and Siegbert complain about getting Bronze Swords meanwhile Ryoma is using a Daikon Radish, then another one where Xander breaks the bottom off a Bottle and is ready for battle... man the FE Fates 4komas were good! Edited November 12, 2017 by Xenomata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Xenomata said: (even though I don't think the Fire Emblem object has ever been a sword...) Fates didn’t stop being a thing that exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackc2 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Xenomata said: I'm having more and more doubts that the Robin we seen in the Christmas Datamine is a Sword user despite looking like a Sword user. Looks like a lance robin to me, which I hope is wrong because we already have a lance robin and default robin is already blue Oh right fates I thought that was just a series of interconnected challenge maps with no story Edited November 12, 2017 by Mackc2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomata Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, Vaximillian said: Fates didn’t stop being a thing that exists. As much as some of us might wish otherwise... Oh right, it was a sword in a game... how many years did it take for that to happen? At least 25 years since the release of FE1, and in the game with the luckiest bastard this side of Valla? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 4 hours ago, bethany81707 said: Lunatic Roderick on Map 1 doesn't have Firesweep. What gives? Sheena also has Slaying Axe instead of Killer Axe on Map 2. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Sheena also has Slaying Axe instead of Killer Axe on Map 2. Hmm. I haven't gotten to the other maps yet (didn't have enough stamina during the 3PM session). Roderick stood out because I'm terrified of Roderick because the Firesweep Lance is a pain to deal with. The fact Rody's missing the entire reason to put a Rody in a map makes me wonder what I'm about to face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, bethany81707 said: I haven't gotten to the other maps yet (didn't have enough stamina during the 3PM session). Roderick stood out because I'm terrified of Roderick because the Firesweep Lance is a pain to deal with. The fact Rody's missing the entire reason to put a Rody in a map makes me wonder what I'm about to face. This is so true it hurts, i actually specifically repositioned to get into Roderick face only to see i'm taking damage lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, bethany81707 said: The fact Rody's missing the entire reason to put a Rody in a map makes me wonder what I'm about to face. Slaying Edge Eldigan. Just...why... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, MrSmokestack said: Slaying Edge Eldigan. Just...why... righteous Eldigan slaying edgy teenager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I’m legitimately wondering if they will address Slaying Weapons in the FEH broadcast. Or maybe they’re just rubbing it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomata Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 1 minute ago, JSND Alter Dragon Boner said: righteous Eldigan slaying edgy teenager Or... considering how edgy the Slaying Edge is... ARES CONFIRMED NEXT PATCH??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Slaying Edge Eldigan. Just...why... "Look, ma! Look at my shiny new Slaying Edge!" "Eldigan, that's weaker than the Mysseltainn." "But it's shiny!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosmur Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 So i cleared all the sacred seals encounters... I have 170 atm so idk which seal i'll upgrade U.u... :thinking: We'll see tomorrow which banner comes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just now, Nosmur said: So i cleared all the sacred seals encounters... I have 170 atm so idk which seal i'll upgrade U.u... :thinking: Distant Def. Atk+ or Spd+. Deflect Magic. Panic Ploy. Lots of good choices, but I recommend Deflect Magic because Reinhardt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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