Bartozio Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Galeforce! Edited July 19, 2017 by Bartozio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: Mjölnir and Thor Hammer are different things in Fates? Another reason to the pile of why this game is not canon. @phineas81707 did a seven-streak. This is a feature we need, but not the one we deserve. Yeah, I just saw your recent post right after I posted mine. Is there a reason why we do not have that feature? I think Serenes Forest is the only platform that I have encountered that does not have the delete feature. Just now, Bartozio said: This is actually pretty close to my eating habbits. Great minds think alike it seems. Yeah, they taste awesome. Nothing beats rare filet mignon seasoned with my secret spice mix and smothered in butter and bacon drippings. After cooking the steak, I save all that juice and pour it in my mash potatoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Vaximillian said: Mjölnir and Thor Hammer are different things in Fates? Another reason to the pile of why this game is not canon. 1 hour ago, MrSmokestack said: Fates though Late to the party, but this is actually a localization quirk/error. Thor Hammer, Tordo's tome, is called トールハンマー (literally Thor Hammer) in Japanese. This tome appears in Genealogy, Thracia and Awakening; when localizing Awakening to English, 8-4 gave it the name "Mjölnir". Then in Fates, a new lightning tome called ミョルニル (literally Mjölnir) in Japanese was introduced. It was a Killer tome, but pretty much completely unrelated to Thor Hammer. Nintendo Treehouse decided to localize it by its literal Japanese name, Mjölnir, ignoring the different Japanese name. It was very likely meant to be a completely unrelated tome. #TorrentialDownpour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 @SatsumaFSoysoy As I said, Fates is even more non-canon now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Vaximillian said: @SatsumaFSoysoy As I said, Fates is even more non-canon now. With how much they tied it to Awakening, it probably is. Unless Awakening is also non-canon.... ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: With how much they tied it to Awakening, it probably is. Unless Awakening is also non-canon.... ! Awakening's portrayal of DLC Alm is non-canon :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, GuiltyLove said: Awakening's portrayal of DLC Alm is non-canon :P Your face is non-canon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Vaximillian said: Your face is non-canon. I'm glad to hear that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, GuiltyLove said: I'm glad to hear that 1 minute ago, Vaximillian said: Your face is non-canon. Does that mean she can make her face prettier/uglier as she wishes, since she doesn't have a canon face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, SatsumaFSoysoy said: Does that mean she can make her face prettier/uglier as she wishes, since she doesn't have a canon face? That's actually a pretty neat power. Thanks, Vax! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, GuiltyLove said: That's actually a pretty neat power. Thanks, Vax! What if you can change your face at will, but it's always ugly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, GuiltyLove said: That's actually a pretty neat power. Thanks, Vax! Make a good use of it if you wish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I am pretty sure everything is canon, including fan fiction. There are multiple universes out there accessible with the Dragon's Gate. I am pretty sure in some universe out there, Cordelia is able to marry Chrom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, XRay said: I am pretty sure everything is canon, including fan fiction. That contradicts the English definition of canon. People just can't separate themselves away from associating the word with pairings. For example: We are not sure if Emmeryn surviving is canon since that's in a paralogue not tied with the main story and some consider it post game. The Drama CD occurrences are canon. Which means there are two Marks/Morgans that interact. However their parentage and how they are so is ambiguous. Hector dies in FE6 is canon. Nino having twins is canon. Edited July 19, 2017 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, shadowofchaos said: That contradicts the English definition of canon. From Google: "the works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine" As long as it is made by the author(s), it is canon. There may be a hierarchy of canons, where the author prefers one event happening over the other (like with the fast supports in Awakening), but if they explicitly made something like the Dragon's Gate and say that there are countless worlds out there with lots of different possibilities, then pretty much everything is canon since it is impractical for the author to write out every single possibility. Fan fiction then is just a retelling of one possible universe that the author did not think or write about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 3 hours ago, phineas81707 said: Is there anything in Fire Emblem's history that allows for hitting an enemy three, and only, three times? There's doubling, quadding, and 5x hits with Astrum, but no tripling to my knowledge beyond durability (which is why I'm banking on Corrosion as the anti-brave) and 'enemy-running-out-of-health'. Continue Leif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) If it’s canon that countless alternate worlds exist, then by association a world where Cordelia married Chrom would exist and won’t contradict canon. @JSND Continue is now called Adept, anyway. Anyway, Leif when? Edited July 19, 2017 by Vaximillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: If it’s canon that countless alternate worlds exist, then by association a world where Cordelia married Chrom would exist and won’t contradict canon. @JSND Continue is now called Adept, anyway. Anyway, Leif when? Seriously Leif when. Not like i expect IS to do justice to a character who can literally become anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JSND said: Seriously Leif when. Not like i expect IS to do justice to a character who can literally become anything They told him he could become anything… so he became a Rescue bot. Edited July 19, 2017 by Vaximillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: They told him he could become anything… so he became a Rescue bot. Rescue Bot is awesome though T_T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, XRay said: From Google: "the works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine" As long as it is made by the author(s), it is canon. There may be a hierarchy of canons, where the author prefers one event happening over the other (like with the fast supports in Awakening), but if they explicitly made something like the Dragon's Gate and say that there are countless worlds out there with lots of different possibilities, then pretty much everything is canon since it is impractical for the author to write out every single possibility. Fan fiction then is just a retelling of one possible universe that the author did not think or write about. The accepted definition of material that is canon by what you stated by Google there that it is explicitly recognized as genuine. A generic "a world out there with infinite possibilities" is a literal cop out so that they don't step on anyone's toes. This is, after all, a fanservice game. The outrealms was never part of the main story of Awakening or Fates. If they were, deeprealm lore would solve all of Nohr's famine problems. Canon defines the world which the author makes has to have boundaries. "When everything is canon" nothing is. You could argue that Paris/Prism is canonically a clone of Ike forged from the memories of Soren's dragon blood via the Grimleal's magic from a reanimated corpse ressurected by Grima. Edited July 19, 2017 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaden Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 hours ago, XRay said: You are not going to promote Tobin 4* to 5* and get a 5*+1? I prefer to keep all my limited heroes because I may eventually get around to promote them someday. Merging them before 5* feels like I am going to miss out on their full potential. I mean, I don't care for Tobin -- maybe I would have if I played Gaiden or Echoes before -- and he's just taking up space for me. He's kind of like a collectible that you forget you have and then complain about when you realize you're short on space. At least the game reminds you that Fettuccine Alfredo is a main course character, so, you have no choice, but to accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartozio Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 32 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: If it’s canon that countless alternate worlds exist, then by association a world where Cordelia married Chrom would exist and won’t contradict canon. The fact that countless alternate universes exist does not logicly imply there exist a world where Cordelia and Chrom are married. It might exist, but it's not guranteed from just that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, shadowofchaos said: The accepted definition of material that is canon by what you stated by Google there that it is explicitly recognized as genuine. A generic "a world out there with infinite possibilities" is a literal cop out so that they don't step on anyone's toes. This is, after all, a fanservice game. The outrealms was never part of the main story of Awakening or Fates. If they were, deeprealm lore would solve all of Nohr's famine problems. Canon defines the world which the author makes has to have boundaries. "When everything is canon" nothing is. You could argue that Paris/Prism is canonically a clone of Ike forged from the memories of Soren's dragon blood via the Grimleal's magic from a reanimated corpse ressurected by Grima. Well, if we narrowly restrict canon to just its significance to the main plot line, then almost no detail matters. No marriage is canon, no children is canon except Lucina, Donnel and Mozu are not canon, anything optional and does not affect the plot is non canon, etc. We do not know how exactly Priam came about, so anything can be canon. Even if the author specified how he came to be, the situation that you mentioned is just as canon since the multiverse theory allows it to happen. The cop out may be for fans, but it might be there for the authors as well. It is possible the Dragon's Gate helped quell internal politics and waifu wars between the developers. 11 minutes ago, Bartozio said: The fact that countless alternate universes exist does not logicly imply there exist a world where Cordelia and Chrom are married. It might exist, but it's not guranteed from just that fact. Well, hacking exists, and I am sure some hacker paired Cordelia with Chrom and Streetpassed that file to everyone they encounter. Edited July 19, 2017 by XRay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think it's fair to say that there's a canon timeline where any combination of actions the game allows happens. So there are timelines where Chrom marries Sully, timelines where he marries Robin, etc., but not necessarily any timelines where he marries Cordelia, because the game doesn't let you do that. The fact that a hacked game allows it doesn't make a regular game allow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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