Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Makaze said: Back to tinfoiling. Other than that LG TMI read, there was one other tinfoil that I kept considering and dismissing during work today, and that was the off the wall idea that Alette could have been Mafia killing Jaybee for automatic indefinite towncred, which would explain why she has been so unhelpful otherwise. My thought process was this: Suppose you sub into a mafia dayvig slot, have not read the game, you just lost two Mafia the previous day, and you are watching a third scum buddy get lynched without a hitch. Assuming you are Mafia, would you Dayvig a scum buddy, or would you take the very risky move and Dayvig some other town player who wasn't a primary lynch target? How would this look when the lynch ended up Mafia? In this world, LG's claim is probably real. In this case, I'd very much like to hear details on this role. @Lord Gaius please come back and have real content? please? Realistically, I think this is an incredibly bad play, but I think Alette has not been actually helping her team no matter what she is, other than killing a Mafia. Even if she is right about Snike, she has the wrong reasons, and I see no reason to expect her to get a case that takes into account anyone's entire ISO. I can't imagine her making a case off of more than one post at this rate. Lol i'm bad at casing first of all and I usually get the wagon I want by being a loud mouth. How would my reasons for snike being mafia be bad? If Snike is mafia than what do you think the correct reason is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alette said: I'm not really sure how to articulate why I currently don't like the Arc wagon, but the push to it seems very messy. I'm not liking how the hydra is there, but how kill is pushing it just vibes scummy. I'm still catching up from page 108 to, but weapons frustration before Arc came in seemed townie too. 4 minutes ago, Alette said: I'd agree re: the numbers so I think this Arc lynch being scum LED is unlikely. specifically because I feel that arc is independently scummy and most of the people scum reading him are confirmed town to me (notably me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Alette said: Lol i'm bad at casing first of all and I usually get the wagon I want by being a loud mouth. How would my reasons for snike being mafia be bad? If Snike is mafia than what do you think the correct reason is? That he has posts that read as ingenuine, AND/OR that he makes sense with the known mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Makaze said: I'd agree re: the numbers so I think this Arc lynch being scum LED is unlikely. specifically because I feel that arc is independently scummy and most of the people scum reading him are confirmed town to me (notably me) I don't think everyone on the wagon is town except for like Refa/Via/Wals/You and the others are less reassuring to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 i.e. anything other than vague "he has an agenda" i have an agenda. im trying to get sully lynched on d4 that doesn't make me mafia its just a bad reasoning. your entire philosophy might be bad, i don't know. if so, it makes it very hard to read you because its impossible to tell if you are town or mafia. you can make bad reads either way if you use bad methods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Alette said: I don't think everyone on the wagon is town except for like Refa/Via/Wals/You and the others are less reassuring to me those people arne't scum reading him independently some people have explicitly FELT that he is scummy and those people who had those feelings are town the other people had reasons. less personal, less opinion based reasons that are harder to read. like yours for readng snike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Makaze said: That he has posts that read as ingenuine, AND/OR that he makes sense with the known mafia. I've said that he seems to be carrying an Agenda. That's pretty similar to being Ingenuine imo. His partner basically not being around really reminds me of how I kept waiting for Sunbae in hydra games when we randed Scum. It reminds me of my own play a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Makaze said: i.e. anything other than vague "he has an agenda" i have an agenda. im trying to get sully lynched on d4 that doesn't make me mafia its just a bad reasoning. your entire philosophy might be bad, i don't know. if so, it makes it very hard to read you because its impossible to tell if you are town or mafia. you can make bad reads either way if you use bad methods LOL. It's usually that i'm very different as Mafia because i make much more sense and @Walreincan verify this. I'm just telling you how I see things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Alette said: I've said that he seems to be carrying an Agenda. That's pretty similar to being Ingenuine imo. His partner basically not being around really reminds me of how I kept waiting for Sunbae in hydra games when we randed Scum. It reminds me of my own play a bit. okay, so, in your world, who else is mafia with snike? who make sense as snike's partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Makaze said: okay, so, in your world, who else is mafia with snike? who make sense as snike's partner? I'm starting to see Kill as a potential partner because the Arc push he has done. Let me finish my read up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 The miller claim from Snike is very strange and it's ideal for a miller to say they are one earlier if it's known to themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Posting my final PoE/reads before I have to out for the night. Assuming cousins are showing up. It remains unchanged from before, but I still want to bring up my misgivings. I'd make an addendum that Alette's defenses today are much better tonally than yesterday and I am less prone to think she is playing me, so much as just off the wall and incapabe of casing. athena_57Baldrick (replacing eclipse)Fable Mackc2 (replacing Nightmare)Refa ViaWalreinKillthestory (replacing Zkirsche) SatsumaFSoySoy + Snike (replacing Polydeuces) - Possible ITP... Omega (replacing Marth) - I have a lot of mixed feelings about his content. He is definitely more opportunistic than Kills to me. If there is an ITP left I think this could be it... Role based especially. But no way to prove it. Alette (replacing Fenrir Aesir (replacing Anime27Arts)) - Somewhat suspect for not really contributing despite the dayvig -- this is a possible worldKaoz (replacing Bibbon) - Suspect if Arc is town and he doesn't lynch SullyLord Gaius (replacing Eärendil) - Looks much better if Arc is scum. Clear if I am right about both Arc and Sully.Arcanite (replacing Weapons)SullyMcGully (replacing Elieson) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Alette said: The miller claim from Snike is very strange and it's ideal for a miller to say they are one earlier if it's known to themselves. He claimed it practically start of the game as soon as he subbed in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I am going to go ahead and downplay my Kaoz paranoia too. I think Kaoz is just asking a question. Put him back at light green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Makaze said: If Alette is Mafia and she dayvigged a partner I doubt she would shy away from lynching her last one (assumed number) and winning alone. She's got the clear if she does so. But yeah IDK, she's so bad it's unreadable almost. lol day vigging a partner is just bad because i crack under pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Alette said: lol day vigging a partner is just bad because i crack under pressure ive been bullying you and you haven't cracked tho for real i think you are tunneling on snike. what will you do if arc flips scum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 tl;dr i feel like you aren't actually trying to get snike lynched and aren't ever going to actually quote his posts with specific phrases to make that happen id love it if you'd prove me wrong but i read ALL of snike's posts and i didn't get the same impression you did and i am the quickest gun in this town how are you going to convince other people of your case when i spend almost all of my time convincing people of mine and still fail on some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
🔥YOLOSWAG🔥 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Fuck it, gonna go ahead and say throw Makaze in the jail pool along with obvious villagers. Feelsbadman. Don't jail/protect me under any circumstances or I lynch you. I have no idea what Makaze is, but I want to see what he says after a flip. Pretty much no one has given a shit to solve this irl day besides him, so I'll give 'im another day with a caveat of continued monitoring. I also have to look back on how JB/Shinori treated him to see if they were just riding coattails. Main reason I'm floating this is because the thread died today and if he's villa, I don't want to have a D3 where we all just sit on a wagon while like....Kill is the only other one generating new leads/ideas. I'm not committing to a V read here at all. I think he's done some wolfy shit. But whatever; this is a special case and we have enough wiggle room that I can be flexible here. Regarding Sully, I'm leaning likelier V at the moment. I can explain if you really think it's that important, but i was really hoping/waiting more people commented on this divide between you two on this matter. I don't want to show my hand yet, telegraph anything, or kill discussion around an important matter before it starts by offering a strong opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Omega. said: Don't jail/protect me under any circumstances or I lynch you. Explain this please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
🔥YOLOSWAG🔥 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 And for fuck's sake, stop calling him V for no reason other than tone. Like, people have actually called him more villagery than like me/athena/etc at different points, which is ridiculous. All I ask is exercise some healthy skepticism and don't get complacent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Makaze said: tl;dr i feel like you aren't actually trying to get snike lynched and aren't ever going to actually quote his posts with specific phrases to make that happen id love it if you'd prove me wrong but i read ALL of snike's posts and i didn't get the same impression you did and i am the quickest gun in this town how are you going to convince other people of your case when i spend almost all of my time convincing people of mine and still fail on some By being a loudmouth and trying to describe how I see it because i'm awful at remembering each post i found wrong. Like you can see that i've stated I don't remember things fondly if they don't make sense personally. I know that isn't the best way to play either, but I just don't agree with everyone on Snike being town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alette Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 @RefaCan I ask again why you voted Arcanite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
🔥YOLOSWAG🔥 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Makaze said: Explain this please? Jailing/protecting me would be throwing. It'd delay the action until N4 so guarantees a kill succeeds tonight, and I can't do shit at night to help the village. Better spent on slots/power roles that can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alette said: By being a loudmouth and trying to describe how I see it because i'm awful at remembering each post i found wrong. Like you can see that i've stated I don't remember things fondly if they don't make sense personally. I know that isn't the best way to play either, but I just don't agree with everyone on Snike being town. uh did you mean to say snike there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, Omega. said: Jailing/protecting me would be throwing. It'd delay the action until N4 so guarantees a kill succeeds tonight, and I can't do shit at night to help the village. Better spent on slots/power roles that can. Alright. What made you think this need to be said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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