Ampharos Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, Beru said: its just me lol, literally just me less last night than like, ever it's not like kaoz was a viable mislynch target Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beru Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Walrein said: it's not like kaoz was a viable mislynch target yeah its less wondering why people died and more wondering why people are still alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampharos Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Beru said: yeah its less wondering why people died and more wondering why people are still alive killing from the poe rather than from the locktowns typically (in my experience) implies that someone's going deep unfortunately i have no idea who that would be in this situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beru Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 yeah that would make sense except I just played a very similar game where mafia shot into the poe repeatedly because of pr hunting even when it didn't actually benefit them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampharos Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Beru said: yeah that would make sense except I just played a very similar game where mafia shot into the poe repeatedly because of pr hunting even when it didn't actually benefit them problem is pretty much every role has claimed we're out of PRs to hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snike Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I won't have access to my computer for a while; watching a doggo. I think walrein's claim is believable except I don't know how kaoz died in that scenario. If mack had been motivated I have absolutely no doubt one of those martyrs would have been on kaoz in addition to a wifom target. Reminder that he got on my case about the hijack yesterday and the arguments he used in pushing me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Makaze said: Via is town. I have read every Via post and there seems to be no agenda. They also seem genuinely lost and have 0 TMI. Just because somebody is lost doesn't mean they are town. It's not hard for scum to play dumb and just sheep wagons with the excuse that they don't kniw what's happening. I'm tone reading Via as town and their role is probably toen as well but this is bad justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 @Fable @Baldrick thanks for your help. I'll analyze Shinori once I catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fable Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Makaze said: @Fable Can your claim help us solve the game? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Makaze said: ##Votals @Iris @SB. @everyone else Do you think Omega is the ITP? If you do, should we lynch him, or would you prefer Mafia for a strategic reason? If you have a strategic reason, can you explain it for those of us who think we should the KP from the game? I'm honestly not sure if Omega is ITP or not but killing him isn't what I would say we need now. We have 11 or 12 people alive right now and I presume 2/3 scum. The extra KPN will not deal us a massive number blow. The extra KPN also gives me a higher chance of guessing the kill correctly which allows me to gain my ability. At that point I would say going for KPN would be beneficial but right now we should be focusing on mafia and not ITP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 @Refa just because a 3rd party has claimed something that wouldn't line up doesn't mean the ITP doesn't have that ability anyways. Serial Killers are often given passives to go along with their killing ability. Omega's claim actually is something I would expect to be an SK passive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fable Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Unvote I got up to Walrein's role claim and it does make sense it would fail when he used it on me with what my role is. =/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Walrein said: yeah ok shame it's unverifiable hardclaiming motivator n1 targeted fable, action failed n2 targeted mack, succeeded (should have targeted bibbon/kaoz slot but forgot they claimed jk) n3 targeted kaoz, he died (and so did mack) Who do you think Mack targeted? 29 minutes ago, EvanManManMan said: Just because somebody is lost doesn't mean they are town. It's not hard for scum to play dumb and just sheep wagons with the excuse that they don't kniw what's happening. I'm tone reading Via as town and their role is probably toen as well but this is bad justification. I just think it's impossible to justify otherwise. 45 minutes ago, Snike said: I won't have access to my computer for a while; watching a doggo. I think that walrein will respond to my posts with some form of "idk" as mafia, but will have actual speculations as town. This is not conclusive, but crumbing here just in case. I think walrein's claim is believable except I don't know how kaoz died in that scenario. If mack had been motivated I have absolutely no doubt one of those martyrs would have been on kaoz in addition to a wifom target. Reminder that he got on my case about the hijack yesterday and the arguments he used in pushing me. This is an incredibly good point. We also can't be sure who Kaoz used his empower on, but we can be ~pretty sure it was Mack. Possible explanation is that Walrein is a fake!motivator. @Walrein You've addressed my tonal reasons for doubting you, but that was not why I voted you. You've read the posts, so I expect you to figure out what I'm talking about on your own. How would you explain it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fable Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Meh if I'm claiming that might as well claim full, doesn't really matter anymore. I'm a rolebomb, if I get NKed the person who killed me loses all their abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Day 4.19 - VotalsSnike + SatsumaFSoySoy (4): Alette, EvanManManMan, BaldrickWalrein (3):  Makaze, athena_57, OmegaOmega (2): Via, Beru Not Voting: Fable, Killthestory, Refa, Snike + SatsumaFSoySoy, WalreinYou have ~33.5 hours left in the day. With 13 alive, it takes 5 to lynch and 9 to hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Beru said: tiny sidetrack but there's no way there could be a third party faction it's always independent here right. it can't be two people. It Can't be two slots but it could be the hydra. Props to the hosts if they did this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The way that everybody hopped on Walrein as easily as they did makes me suspect that he is town or scum working alone. Haven't read up to where he claimed yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Wait Walrein claiked his action failed night 1. Didn't a scum compulsive roleblocker flip? That would clear Walrein if he truly was roleblocked Also Walrein, you are motivating myself or Alette tonight to get extra kill power. Motivating anybody else won't benefit as most of the PRs left have no beneficial action from an extra charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 If you have suspicions that I'm mafia just give it to Alette. It shouldn't matter too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 We should definitely be lynching the hydra slot. Analyzing Shinori now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 On 4/14/2018 at 12:05 PM, Shinori said: Scum reads: Athena Kirsche Leaning scum: Walrein Refa BBM Jaybee Junko No particular order. I haven't read Junko's most recent wall post so that may chance some thoughts/opinions on them. Walrein is starting to rub me the wrong way and I'm getting scum vibes from him. I was town reading him from Early day 1 play but that was primarily based on the fact that he was actually posting and that's probably a bad idea to just town read someone on. Jaybee is completely unmemorable and I don't even remember them really doing anything, apparently like the first vote on the Bart lynch wagon though so I dislike that. Refa is actually giving me Third vibes. This is mainly gut though and I don't actually think he's scum. Kind of the reason I'm not really pushing this at all cause I don't wanna deal with ITP hunting when we don't even know if there is one in the game. I disagree with Bibbon when he said he town read BBM based on BBM's case on Bibbom followed by BBM unvoting Bibbon. I could see Scum!BBM unvoting and not just continuing with the pressure because otherwise it would look bad. I was iffy on bibbon last phase but after thinking about it more and re-reading some of the content I feel he's a bigger town read now. Especially with the random Jailkeeper claim? I gotta say that came outta nowhere and I'm not a fan but I don't see it as scum. Athena case's have already been posted, both by myself and Snike and I'm really disliking Kirsche over this past day phase. Day 1 I was leaning scummy on him but it's only gotten worse in my eyes. So for now since I forgot to unvote a while ago: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Athena These reads should honestly clear Athena and Kill. Shinori, in this scenario, wouldn't bus a partner. The fact that both are co networkers is pinging me some way but I can't put my finger on it. It's probably coincidental though. They gave very little info as to why Kirsche was scum. They just said "his day play is bad." That doesn't ping me as a bus, and it was probably more of a bandwagon read because Kirsche was being scum read by many. Athena would not get pushed by Shinori in this scenario so I'm confident they are town as well. Their ITP speculation on Refa is just bad and is just shade. They simply stated "I think Refa is ITP" but gave no reasoning whyand said they specifically wouldn't try to lynch them. Their Walrein read is interesting though. They tone read him as town day one but retracted that and called them scum for low activity in day 2. It reminds me of Makaze's flip now. The resemblence is odd and is giving me strange vibes. It makes me trust Makaze less. Walrein is probably town from these points, ignoring role spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The rest of Shinori's reads are on dead plauers and don't affect the game right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, EvanManManMan said: Their Walrein read is interesting though. They tone read him as town day one but retracted that and called them scum for low activity in day 2. It reminds me of Makaze's flip now. The resemblence is odd and is giving me strange vibes. It makes me trust Makaze less. Walrein is probably town from these points, ignoring role spec. 1. Do you think my flip reads ingenuine, or is this just a meta "Why did he flip?" question? 2. Please read my posts about his JB and Shinori interactions, which I think are the most damning and why I'm voting him (I still don't think his claim discounts these): Granted the first post is pretty tunnel vision; I was looking for reasons to doubt my townread on him. Here's the missing quote from Quote #2: Quote 10 hours ago, athena_57 said: If Walrein has his reasons for voting me that's fair, I'd like them to be on the table though. Refa's vote is just to lay on pressure, so no point in responding imo. Iono I feel this mentality towards Walrein is weird. Overall I will say I disliked Athena's early post complaining about RVS while saying nothing else. Albeit minor, a few things had actually slightly happened. An example is the whole BBM/Junko posts that had happened before Athena posted. Maybe I'm just biased but it stood out to me.  Here's the missing quote from Quote #3: Quote 4 minutes ago, eclipse said: All those words, and only a slight mention of Walrein. I also haven't mentioned Walrein that I can remember off the top of my head: How come you didn't bring this up WRT me but did so for Eury? Or did you ask her something about Walrein? Why Walrein in specific? And why ask Eury specifically? I know he's been very active but I don't quite understand this post right now. Why does Shinori shade Walrein not once but twice, then deny mentioning Walrein and attack eclipse for mentioning him? Why would he appeal to "Why did you Walrein but not Eury?" (Eury has flipped town) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 This also helps explain the eclipse kill attempts, if they were Mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 sf not letting me edit for pronouns; sorry walrein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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