Makaze
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1 minute ago, Bluedoom said:
@Makaze can you refresh me, what's the reason for you voting bbm?
Very strong scum vibes out of the gate and frozen-esque reaction to being pressured. Nothing showing up to counter my feelings.
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1 hour ago, Bluedoom said:
so first, Unvote ##Vote: @Sunwoo
What about prims is town leaning for you, and do you disagree with my take on his read on Makaze? if so, why?
As of this post I was still voting Refa. Let me outline the problems I have with this:
a)I was voting refa for very similar reasons to what you're outlining in this post. What about that is safe, or are you going to say that your own reads are safe?
b)Not hard to point out but, whatever shinori has done has been NAI ya. I think the points on Makaze/Shinori/BBM/Snike are fakeable ya. What specific things has Makaze done that make you think that he wouldn't benefit from them as scum?c)The last paragraph in your post makes me think that you have enough of a gut feeling to actually vote any of the 3 mentioned. Now from what I remember of you I think you like feeling more concrete about your reads before your vote. But my issue isn't so much that the vote isn't dropped and more that...this feels like fence sitting here?
4 hours ago, Prims said:These both failed because the vote and the mention were bolded independently (in Marth's case, just the vote text by itself). They have to have the same parent element. Bolding is optional, avoid it if it causes issues.
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Well damnit. You're right. Vote script broken.
We'll have to do this the wold fashioned way while I figure that out. Sorry guys. -
4 hours ago, Prims said:
I will lurk tactically on purpose even though I am town.
##Vote: Snike
This vote isn't appearing because it doesn't have an actual mention.
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Ignore last vote post, was user error on my part
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2 minutes ago, BBM said:
i have to say this also just really doesn't make sense to me. what's the advantage for scum to buddy up to someone they're planning on killing n1 anyways? wouldn't you want to buddy up to someone who you're planning on leaving alive?
@WeaponsofMassConstruction I feel like your reason for voting prims at the beginning was very similar to mine. what about prims's response satisfied you and made you feel like boron was a better vote? all he kind of said was something along the lines of "yeah i'm just bouncing things off people" but it wasn't actually any different from his previous posts
i don't really have too much of an opinion on shinori/boron/marth/refa's alignments atm. all our mafia skills have degraded so much in the last few years that rapier is now the strongest player.
makaze is word spewing all over the place which makes him tiresome to read. @Makaze from what I've seen your read on rapier has flipped from scum to town to maybe back to scum at some point in the middle to back to town? can you explain the reasons behind your read progression here?
btw i'm fairly sure the votal script still isnt working properly because Rapier unvoted me to vote for marth at some point. also, Iris and Fire Emblem Fan are included in the votals and they're not even playing.
My opinion on Rapier is that they have very weird posting style, but their actual content shows progression and some of it reads from a town POV, so I am ignoring my tonal instincts and basing it on their reasoning. Rapier is v.
I am now convinced that Rapier/BBM are unaligned.----
Rapier failed to revote properly. @Rapier @Bluedoom You should vote again. The format is:
##Vote @BBM
The ##vote and the mention must be on the same line and have the same parent element. You cannot bold just the vote text, for example.
The votal script is very hands-off and it will count any poster who appears in the voting window as a potential voter. This allows the host to do nothing and still get useful information. That includes Iris and FEFan. Just ignore them, they won't impact anything. -
16 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:
Thanks, SF, I totally want you to lose my post when you kick me into the next page and to give me the previous post I'd already posted ... Good thing I didn't write that much yet.
@Makaze: "Town-lean" means town read. So still Prims and Rapier. Prims was active and trying to get things in the game moving while he was posting, and not being shy about posting his thoughts. Granted, he's been gone for a while, but I'm willing to give him more time to return to the game before his absence starts seeming scummy.
@Bluedoom: I don't particularly agree that what Prims did is "off" (or scummy). For one, if we're thinking of the same post, it's far less wordier than you make it sound. And secondly, it feels more like Prims wants to note this as behavior that something that could be scummy, but is too early to make a serious case over. It doesn't strike me as odd, personally.
Uh, if there's anything I've forgotten to mention or you guys have any specific questions, do let me know. I keep getting distracted because you guys keep posting a lot and I have to click on the "show new posts" indicator every time you do.
Also, just an observation here but I don't like how Refa and Marth were so quick to jump on me after Weapons' post. While I may disagree with his reasoning and reads, Weapons did give a justification for it. Refa jumped on it with barely an explanation and no real indicator as to how he felt about me before, while Marth's vote is sus because his last reads posts had me as a town-lean. I struggle to understand how a single post suddenly makes me the scummiest person in the thread, unless it's because the post in question had him as a suspicion and a wagon is conveniently starting to pop up on me.
I'd like to know your thoughts on BBM, and more about your thoughts on Refa outside of his vote on you.
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Just now, BBM said:
i went to watch like two episodes of tv and you guys put up 5 pages of posts... sf mafia is BACK
##Unvote, ##Vote: @Prims
this is what I feel most strongly about atm. we're all rusty blah blah blah but I just don't feel like Prims was trying to make anything happen. If Prims found makaze randomly bringing up SK a bit weird, I would expect Prims to try and push him a bit more about it just to try get more of a reaction, even if he didn't actually find makaze's actions that scummy. instead, Prims chose to just restate an RVS reason for voting Shinori multiple times. feels lazy to me and like he was posting for the sake of it
I'm not gonna lie a lot of the other posts in the interim just blended together other than makaze voting me so I'll reread them to try and pick some more opinions out. my first thought is that a slightly smaller game might have been better to ease back into things lmao
@Makaze your list of people who aren't aligned, does that include that those people aren't town/town, or are you specifically looking for whether or not they're scum/scum?
unaligned means not knowingly aligned, so scum/scum
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Just now, Shinori said:
I meant to not post that yet because I had thoughts so let me state this:
Alignment reads are bad at this point in time, at least in my opinion. Scum is LESS likely to go against each other at this point in time in the game but that's not guaranteed.
Stating them out loud may be a bad idea, but I prefer to push content and box them in as often as possible, and I am getting to the point where I can reconsider even my strongest opinions if I am alive at the endgame, because the mafia have kept me alive for a reason, so I'm not afraid to make these opinions.
I'm also just likely to forget that I had them with the next post that I read so I'd like to have progression and be able to figure out what I was thinking the next time my gut hits me, since I need to box them in myself in case the contradictions get the better of me
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I am not still not over that death godfather incident
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6 minutes ago, WeaponsofMassConstruction said:
Down to sit on this game state while the rest of the players join in, but really quickly, leaning town on Refa, BBM has escaped my attention, null on Marth, and feel like Shinori's dicking around cause he knows he can get away with it
I'm feeling like Weapons is obvious town now, or he has gotten so much better it is giving me whiplash
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TL;DR
I am still pretty sure about Rapier, but I'm feeling stifled by not having enough to read.Not going to doubt my instincts just yet, but I'm willing to bet on at least these things:
Prims/Weapons are not aligned.
Rapier/Refa are not aligned.
Rapier/Shinori are not aligned.
Rapier/Sunwoo are not aligned.
Refa/Sunwoo are not aligned.
Weapons/Sunwoo are not aligned unless Sunwoo has offered themselves up as a bus teammate.
BBM is mafia.
Not much else I'm sure about but I still feel pretty good about myself all things considered. -
I keep getting weird feelings about the way Rapier is posting, but I think it's just a Rapier thing, because I've reacted this way in every game. Going to ignore that their posting style is weirding me and focus on the reasoning.
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After rereading Sunwoo's ISO, I'm seeing where you guys are coming from. I don't see anything damning, but I do see stuff that could be considered "helpful" and "being present" without actually solving the game.
@Sunwoo I'd like to see your town reads if nothing else the next time you're reading
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1 minute ago, Shinori said:
Apparently this post didn't load before I just sent that post.
But to answer your question, no idea. I'd have to recheck the people that have posted against me. I thought prims was fine, seemed like just a reaching RVS vote. Everything afterthat was weird because so many people seemed to jump to talk about me or comment on me.
Which could mean I'm town and there is scum intent behind the weird posts talking about me, or I'm scum and everyone is mind melding perfectly to catch me day 1!
That you would call something interesting but not even have a list of the interesting things is more interesting than the things that pinged you. Are you planning to follow up and form opinions about those interesting things? If so, when?
Just now, WeaponsofMassConstruction said:(and @Rapier) I feel like town players tend to do a lot of things that "leak towniness" that it would just take a lot of effort for scum to pull off. Looking back at Boron I'm not picking up on any of that. She came out of the gate with some good pressure questions but as the game exited rvs she hasn't kept that up and has been pretty noncommital about her reads. I feel like as town it would be more likely that she would keep up the pressure especially since she has shown herself to be an active participant. Granted mafia sucks and it does look like she legitimately missed my response to her question, but this is the best that I have so far.
Why are you townreading her again?
I got a pretty strong town ping from her early on.
I am most likely to be pocketed by someone who gets an easy town read from me and dips after I shield them, so I'm open to changing, but that would require them to stop playing. I'll need some negative pings to offset the good ones.
Why is her nothing-but-positioning more doable than BBM's, for instance?
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7 minutes ago, Makaze said:
I posted the question and people followed me, but I do not have you as a scum read. You not caring or looking into why people are doing that or what that means about their alignment is interesting.
Of the people who have thrown your name around, which feels the worst to you, and which feels the most natural?
@Shinori Feels like you're dodging me by turning it around on me
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Just now, Shinori said:
Makaze gun to your head Boron, Rapier, Prims?
Prims?
Prims is not out of my PoE or even a town read
What made you choose those 3?
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6 minutes ago, WeaponsofMassConstruction said:
Honestly I'm using some pretty dank game state PoE logic for this Boron vote, but the gist of it is that out of all the contributors so far, I feel like her's is the most doable as scum.
Can you explain what "doable" means to you?
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My town core at this time is something like
Sumwoo/Boron
Rapier
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Just now, Shinori said:
Honestly the fact that so many people seem to be jumping towards post reads on me and a couple people have stated I'm scum or would shoot me in a random batch of three is super interesting.
I posted the question and people followed me, but I do not have you as a scum read. You not caring or looking into why people are doing that or what that means about their alignment is interesting.
Of the people who have thrown your name around, which feels the worst to you, and which feels the most natural?
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