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It wasn't luck. Marth got Rolecop from investigating Shinori, but it didn't tell us anything about him being scum or not. It was only an assumption. Then it became an huge mess, and here we are. I don't understand. Marth got rolecop from him, so that means his investigation was obviously misdirected. I'm inclined onto believing there's a scumrole that redirects targettings. But that doesn't explain why the hell Scorri got a guilty result from Blitz. You shouldnt tell him who to Doc tonight unless we're talking about a very important role. It only helps the Mafia. Also, what stops Paper from being scum? He could very well have planned to ask Shinori to 'target' him, so he'd actually target someone else and not waste a Night Action. Shinori's entire role mess would get him lynched anyway, so why not bus or use him as much as the scumteam could? He didn't get lynched on D1 only because Blitz looked scummier and had more votes.

The only problem is, the DKs always come after Palla on the first turns if I get too close (even if she's away from their range). Well, maybe with this method they will magically decide to not come after her, so I'll try it out later. To the above poster, there's a link to that dll somewhere in this topic. I think it's on page 2. Someone had a similar problem before.

I can't even get past from Chapter 3 on Maniac Mode with Female Mage!MU. XD The cavaliers can kill Pala easily, and all the wyverns come at your units. The wyverns aren't a problem, but Pala's surrounded and cavaliers start spawning on Turn 2 or 3 (they can 2HKO her, and so can wyverns).

I was so hyped for this release, I'm glad the patch has been released this soon. Now it's time to torture myself with Mage!MU in Maniac Mode, wee! ... Or continue my save with Dracoknight!MU. Now seriously, playing with Mage!MU sure is challenging, at least for me. =P

yeah that's what happens when you go back to playing FE12 and forget the world exists and time passes.

... This means nothing. If you're scum, one of your scumbuddies could have tracked Paper or whatever, as I don't know which roles they have. At worst, Paper is your scumbuddy and helped you with this result.

He's still his grandfather, even if MU is an orphan.

Defending scum? How so? I just said there's no way both Scorri and Marth were redirected because it would have been a big coincidence. So if Scorri was redirected, Marth is most certainly right about Shinori.

Words of wisdom. Seriously, I think Prims' claim was justifiable because I'd call him for not shooting Shinori last night. But please, stop. We had 4 roleclaims in one day. >_> I don't like this response either. Prims made it clear that it was his circumstances that brought him to the Blitz wagon, and not the wagon itself, that made him scummy. I've noticed he hasn't answered his questions yet, and whenever he answers, this is what we see. Worries too much about defending yourself too, imo. You gave more reasons later on, since it'd be bad to just vote and give no reasoning. This isn't a good excuse. No. I told you before, Scorri leaned towards Town to me and Shinori was most definitely scum. I still didn't trust Scorri completely, though. I wanted to wait for D2 and confirm some things first. Tell me how the Mafia has got an amazing scumrole that magically predicts every role and chooses who to redirect first. Because it would be a big coincidence if both Marth and Scorri's investigations were Redirected. I don't think Marth is wrong, and we've got plenty of reasons to go for Shinori. Also, about Shinori's role, I'm not sure which role it could be. Marth got Informant (Rolecop) from investigating him, then he claimed Tracker, and now I know he isn't any of them (roleclaiming Rolecop wouldn't be a bad idea, but he didn't do that)... So, what is he actually? I didn't have enough time to get more info and reactions. Remember, I had only a few posts because I was busy. On the next day, we already had 17 pages and it was N1 already. I still don't trust Shinori's claim. I don't believe in coincidences. If Scorri was redirected/misinformed somehow, I don't think the same could have happened to Marth. So I'm willing to vote him anyway.

Since Shinori is most definitely scum and Scum Alliance Cops are stupid, I believe you are Town. But those two things aren't confirmed, so I'd rather wait for D2 and take my conclusions there.

As I said before... I'm sure Shinori is scum. Sorry if I didn't make it clear before.

derp, screw this part. Shinori could be a Scum Rolecop anyway.

Oh well. I love when a lot of stuff happen while I'm busy. First off, I understand why Marth thinks Shinori may be scum, but what if he's the Town Rolecop? We'd be missing a good town role by lynching or possibly vigshooting him. Then again, I'm not even sure how we're supposed to deal with him. This means Scorri is scum, doesn't it? She obviously lied about Blitz... Especialy because of this: ... Which implies Shinori may have a more dangerous role if he's scum. I think it's too convenient for Blitz to be targetted by a role that makes him look Guilty. Shinori may not have been the only one who targetted Scorri, but he's a suspect, and a good target for a vigshot since we'll be confirming if Marth is scum or not. I really don't like coincidences, so I'm willing to bet Shinori is scum. That was my first reaction when I saw him calling Marth for 'buddying'. Yeah, I asked a bunch of questions and voted Mancer for a weak reason because damn it, it was early D1, there's basically nothing concrete to lynch someone for. At that time, you're supposed to get info and reactions and see which one's the best lynch candidate for the day. Also, I forgot what the hell a Miller does. >:

Why do you think Blitz is scummy, Scorri?

Yet you find him scummy for buddying with you. Isn't that basically the same thing? Because of your reaction to it. So Marth used his rolecop shot on the rolecop and Shinori survived? I don't understand this. Shouldn't this prove that Shinori is -not- the Rolecop?

##Vote: MancerNecro I don't like it when people speculate about roles on Night 0. You'll be just giving the Mafia insights about the setting. Plus, his defensive style about Marth 'buddying' with him bothers me. Calling him scummy immediately because he thinks Mancer looks townie is bad.

So you admit to buddying with Marth?

Why did you think Blitz knew more than he was outing? Especially about Marth? I don't understand, since Blitz never interacted with Marth after the Cops Discussion started.

i hate you too I don't understand why we can't have a role cop. Inability to check alliance isn't a good excuse for that. So we either have an Alliance and a Role cop, or a Full Cop? Hm. Aside from that, what makes him look like scum? Too h ard about finding cops? Where? From what I know, Mancer, Shinori, BBM and Kay argued over the existance of a Full/Alliance/Role Cop, not only Mancer. What else do you think about them?

Because Cam is possessed by Mr. Bison of course

Tinny is also hawt. Her age really doesn't matter.

Pelleas' case was different from other tyrants'. Micaiah learned about the Blood Pact later and understood his dilemma (later on, okay). Also, she mentioned earlier that she trusts him because she knows he feels the toll of being a ruler and understands it pretty well, or something like this. I'd get a quote from the script if there was one. Considering she sent half of her army to die distracting Ike's army while her other portion dealt with the Apostle's Army, and knowing their entire army of over nine thousand soldiers would go after them if they failed, I'd say it's not as cowardly as you think. But mileages may vary, I agree. She was a -figurehead- only, which means she did not have any major role in leading the entire army and making decisions that surpassed Pelleas and Izuka's authority. Remember the chapter where she had to take her group to save the citizens thrown in the swamps? It was pretty late on Part 1, she had as much 'authority' as you said, even so they left her alone with her own small group to deal with the issue. Actually... It's not mentioned if Micaiah succeeds in burning the canyon or not. They only mention she wasn't able to shoot down Sanaki before Tibarn threatened to drop Sothe, though I'm inclined onto believing the flames had been started before he showed up.

Yeah but where I live it costs 300-400 bucks at best since I live in a place cursed with huge inflation. >: One day I'll get one, however!

She had no choice. She had less authority than Izuka, and Pelleas insisted that he stay. It's not unjust and unnecessary. Remember the situation the Blood Pact put them on. They would either go to war or lose everything they fought for years. Unprovoked but she had to do it, or else the Blood Pact's effect would happen. what Well, I have nothing to say there. I think she didn't know what to do at that time and her desperation made Micaiah clash agaisnt the Apostle's Army since it's the only solution they could think about, but that's just me. Cowardly? You see, the entire Crimean army was of 8000 soldiers. That's just the CRIMEAN army. Add the Laguz Army from Gallia, Phoenicis and Kilvas plus Greil Mercenaries and half of Begnion's Army that was with Sanaki (if not more) and you have much more soldiers than that. Agaisnt a single -country- that was desperate to save themselves from the Blood Pact and had much less soldiers. I think the ambush was pretty much justified. I can remember a lot of heroes who follow their king's demands out of loyalty. I recall most only from videogames however (like Cecil). Lyn is only special and heroic during Lyn's Mode. On Eliwood/Hector's mode, she's nothing more than a side character who only exists because the game said so.

And why is Mist bad? It's really easy to level her up by staff abuse or/and BEXP. Having a staffbot on a horse is awesome, even more if you want to help Ike beat the BK since she fights him alongside Ike (figuratively). I don't find her such a bad unit, too. Another unit I like but is kinda underrated is Lilina. If she gets Speed and if you can use Speedwings on her, she becomes a killing machine. She ORKOs -dragons- and pretty much anything else easily.