Lord Raven

1. Aless 2. Carrion 3. Raven 4. Gerik 5. Oguma 6. Oscar 7. Dieck 8. Ike 9. Tibarn 10. Sain 11. Sety 12. Alan (FE6) Not in order of preference or anything but yeah. This is pretty much favorites. :S

Or we could argue and see if you have anything to counter our logic with. After all, you brought it.

B2BD said stuff to the extent of "Roger whoever won't be getting Merc anyway." Why won't they be getting Merc? In fact, why is this even relevant to the tier list? In a debate, sure, because we're not judging them and a fair amount of bias needs to be put in to make your points. In a tier list, it's completely different. Judge them based on how well they can do as a Merc, but penalize them at the same time for taking away a potential class for the others to use; don't assume they'll never get Merc. etc etc Is another point I'm referencing. If I'm interpreting it correctly, then it should be saying that Darros is only decent as a Mercenary. Which is a point against him because of your latter point (at least, how I believe it should be viewed; if units are viable without Merc, then should be penalized equally but also praised because they're good enough that they don't need it).(I view this pretty much as similar to what FE3 Player is saying). The "lower tiers are sucking upper tiers' dicks" part was also in reference to the Harken/Karel scenario, where Karel supposedly "harms the team" by not allowing you to recruit Harken. He doesn't harm the team considering neither are guaranteed use; he's disallowing another unit from existing. Harken is doing the same, they should receive equal punishment; quality of either unit should have little to do with it especially since the argument is irrelevant in the judging of a tier list. If (and I heavily doubt this will happen, by the way), hypothetically, we find out something weird about Harken that puts him around Karel's spot, then we nullify the fact that Karel is pushed down because he's preventing a superior unit from existing; it's these changes that should make situations like this a punishment for both instead of one or neither. Because then he's no longer blocking out a superior unit, he's just blocking out another unit. Even if it places Harken significantly below Karel's spot nothing should change about Karel, because the main point is they're blocking out another unit. Sylvan's post... is also a perfect summation. And I'd heavily appreciate it if you'd calm down. It's just a video game; we've both been repeating a lot of points, and at the risk of sounding smug I don't see why you can't keep as calm a head as I've been doing during the entire thing about the debate. And one more thing... I'm still waiting to hear what you think especially since me, FE3 Player, Sylvan, and slax are basically saying what I'm saying and disagree with your methods of judging the list.

For me it tends to save him on enemy phase untransformed. Transformed he's pretty unstoppable with it.

Really, has no one considered giving him Tauroneo's Resolve for the laguz chapter? :<

Actually, ignore that earlier point considering that I got Caesar's Skill and Speed mixed up. haha(10% is relatively slight; it's +3 in the long run (+1 in the short/intermediate term and +2 in a bit longer period of time) although caesar has a load more HP) EDIT: "He's not getting Merc" is completely bullshit and I won't try to argue it again because it should be a pretty basic principle that giving x person the Mercenary class involves an opportunity cost and everyone should be punished equally for having you make one, as opposed to the crappier units getting the shit thrown on them and sucking the upper tier's dicks. You claim you don't say this, but you are and you are completely unable to admit it. The tier list then becomes biased in favor of upper tier units (when a tier should regard the fact that the upper tiers exist, but not use it at all as a fact). In fact, you don't seem to flinch giving Darros the Mercenary class even though Wolf and Sedgar basically come in a chapter or two after you can reclass... And because of that I should leave this topic, but I probably won't. We'll see where this takes me.

It could've been stuff from Jap -> Eng but we should definitely tell Twilks. >_> ... but I've pretty much seen the light. Ewan, regardless of the route, has three chapters to gain 9 levels with a high EXP gain rate. And even then he has another two levels before he ends up beating Knoll which is the point...

There's one in 3-6, and probably one hidden somewhere.

with sigurd?

No.

Overexaggerating much? If anything it's somewhat viable to do it right on your own phase for the simple reason that he'll take down enemies on their own phase.They won't overwhelm him considering he can't one round them anyway. Then again I play that chapter with a diagonal defensive line in the corner you start on.

minor correction but Knoll's base is level 9, not 10 so your numbers are overall slightly off. Moving on, I can see how he can level up from a Trainee but I have a hard time believing he'll get to Level 3 as a Shaman...

Once every three turns or something, just eat an Olivi Grass. That's not that much. >_>

You can also buy one in 1-E.

HP|Str|Mag|Skl|Spd|Lck|Def| Res Caesar 20| 1| 2| 1| 5| 6| 6| 3 Base/Level 3 Caesar 50| 5| 30| 30| 45| 20| 0| 25 Growth

I'm sure you get more than one Olivi Grass. An enemy drops one and the one you get off Muarim is enough until you can buy some more.

So? Ewan still takes a lot of work to become a good character. A lot to the point where he has no stats. So? He can weaken a couple enemies here and there and probably kill a few monsters in the forthcoming monster maps. What can Ewan do when he comes? Pretty much nothing.And the "you already have some good magic users" argument applies to Ewan, pretty much. It's irrelevant but matters for both if you're going that route. This nulls the tier list. This argument is kind of moot.

Ewan has every stat non existent when he enters.PROTIP: 35% is actually an average speed growth. That's not quite "non existent" if you ask me. 70% HP is also considered good. His Def and Luck suffer but... below Ewan? Come on.

Mekkah, what rank are we aiming for here?

And this still separates the two by an entire tier when their offense is practically the same?Roger and Caesar are about similar statistically; Caesar has a slight defense and 20% HP whereas Roger has like 15% more strength. Roger's bases as a whole are just as good as Caesar's with a huge lead in Speed. They should be ranked around the same place as well.

FE4-5 - Holsety FE6 - Apocalypse FE7 - Excalibur FE8 - Gleipnir FE9 - Thoron FE10 - Rexcalibur, Rexaura, Rexflame, Cymbeline, Creiddylad, Balberith. All the SS tomes except Rexbolt which I've never seen.

Which is near top tier. I interpreted his post too literally.

I would argue that Knoll > Ewan because he's at least somewhat usable when he enters. Saleh should be higher than low-mid from Ephraim's route. Colm should be lower in the Top tier, or even in High. There's not much to steal in this game so all there is is that lockpick utility...

Shinon. (I think Faval too).

Does anyone else give Volug Resolve while he smokes the Grass? That way he has a fighting chance against the enemies when they're attacking him (evasion and preventing double attacks) and he can somewhat securely get to beast form. 55 base HP is a shitload. And he gains plenty of EXP from attacking untransformed too.