Void Mafia - Game Over

[13th]

##Burn at the Stake: Helios

You're acting extremely suspicious. Your posts have been decent enough, but you make somewhat half-hearted attempts to pressure and vote. Its feeling like you're trying to fake activity by making votes without really having any activity in them.

Let's look at your posts.

http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&cType=topic&cId=36984&search_author=Helios

Most suspicious is this.

"Also think Core came in and made some good points about Cam, but I need to take a better look at Cam before I garner a decent opinion on him. A quick skim shows that he hasn't done much so far though. "

While Cam has not done much, he hasn't been wagoning, which is what you are doing. And with how your vote is coming across, it feels like the only reason you're voting him is because he wasn't voting yet finding someone scummy.

[Rapier]

OK, while I admit my old post looked scummy, I jumped the Mancer wagon out of more scum reads than BBM. BBM's only real scum reads I got were his points, which had something triggering my scumdar enough, mainly because the case has struck me as fishy.

Why do you agree with the case and vote Mancer if you think it's fishy? I see opportunist scum.

Honestly, both Baldrick and 13th look bad to me. The former was opportunistic enough to vote Mancer, and then vote Sho just because he called him for a policy lynch (note: those are dangerous, as scum can vote someone and say it was just a joke). 13th is another opportunistic guy who didn't stand for either cause when BBM voted Mancer, he said the later was scummy from BBM's arguments but the former was also scummy and his case was fishy. Now he picks a completely random post and votes Helios by using Strawman's Fallacy in one of his lines.

Hence why 13th receives my vote. I wish we could actually get more info since, well, it's OC and all, but all the info I got are not conclusive enough to prove someone is scum or cult, so I have to do the whole NOC proccess once again in D1 and see if I'm right or wrong.

##Vote: 13th

[Paperblade]

Baldrick: Mancer

13th: BBM, Loocy, Bluedoom, Sho, Rapier

Cam: Helios, Paulina

Kay: Elieson

Helios: Kay, 13th

I think this is right

[Xinnidy]

Ok so let me try to get things together now that I'm back and read what I missed when I posted first thing today.

Reaction votes are silly when you just announce them immediately. Why bother reacting if you know you aren't under serious suspicion?

Because oh, I don't know, you WILL be under suspicion when you just shrug people off when they keep asking you to share thoughts, ideas, and be just more participative due to a noticeable lack of that from your part?

Because so far, I find you suspicious for almost the same reasons as Elieson, but I decided I might as well take a more assertive approach back then.

Do you want me to vote to you with a legitimate intent of getting you lynched, then? Here you go!

##Vote: Kay

I don't care if I'm being extremely inconvenient right now, your stance does not sit well with me. I've only heard of a few that have talked to you, and from what I know and have seen from yourself, either you have a lot of information and, if you do share it, you only do it with a very small group of people, or you're just closing yourself in a bubble for a reason I have no idea.

(People tell me you're known to not show up a lot. However, busy or not, being participative does not necessarily revolve around having a lot of time to devote to mafia)

On the same light, but with less intensity, hi Strider how are you.

[charlie_]

Cam's last post bugs me since it makes me feel like he being self conscious about not being opportunistic but at the same time felt like he had to post some reads. The word "throw" kind of makes me feel like Cam thinks the wagon is dangerous to join, but weirdly he doesn't do anything about it or act on this, even though he pretty much says he's suspicioua of the entire wagon.

if i'd had to guess i'd say it was one of the middle or later votes on it (offhand i want to say baldrick, other people have pointed this out but his random vote hopping isn't helping). this doesn't rule out BBM yet but just him starting the wagon doesn't really prove anything to me

so basically it could be anyone ia what you're saying.

Note how he doesnt actually tke himself down to anything and say any single person is suspicious on the wagon in particular other than bbm isnt off the hook either.

Also his post has very little content in it of actual worth, practically nothing in the second half.

pVote: cam

[13th]

##Unvote

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

be sure your vote counts SB. that format is off

[riariadne]

i think it's about time we stop running around this and start doing some things

##Vote Kay

[7:57pm] <thirteenth>

she's suspicious as hell is all we know.

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

she said and i quote

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

[15:26] <Kay> eh, well, either way, idled because I left in a hurry because I had to get to work earlier than I had thought, and mindblanked that I hadn't sent an action yet

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

[15:26] <ShotheGreat> ic

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

[15:26] <Kay> I figure I should make sure someone knows it now, so it doesn't look awful when I claim

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

Rein at least you talk to me when I message you

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

about game related things

[7:48pm] <Xinnidy>

hi strider how are you *shot*

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

you don't just go

[7:48pm] <scorri>

haha

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

"I don't wanna talk to you about anything"

[7:46pm] <Elieson>

I PM'd her because she has no interest in reaching out

[7:47pm] <Elieson>

apparently

if you're something like cop fuck you.

[13th]

##Tar and Feather: Kay

Between your inaction, and Elie's PM he told us about both on page 10 and in IRC, you have a lot to explain and not a lot of time to do it in.

Also Sho showed a log in IRC where you claimed to have idled from an active role. And that you claimed to have done this to him so it would not appear awful.

17:57 <TimelordSho>: she said and i quote

17:57 <TimelordSho>: [15:26] <Kay> eh, well, either way, idled because I left in a hurry because I had to get to work earlier than I had thought, and mindblanked that I hadn't sent an action yet

17:57 <TimelordSho>: [15:26] <ShotheGreat> ic

17:57 <TimelordSho>: [15:26] <Kay> I figure I should make sure someone knows it now, so it doesn't look awful when I claim

So please. Come talk. We want to hear from you.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

##Unvote: 13th

##Vote: Kay

one of these at least tries

[Ema Skye]

##Unvote: 13th

##Vote: Kay

13th wants to play. Kay doesn't, and it's pretty obvious at this point. Kay's done diddly squat in the thread, and apparently she hasn't done a whole lot of OC either.

[BBM]

##Unvote, ##Vote: Cam

My reasons for this are in the log of the main IRC channel that either Rein or Scorri should post soon, too lazy to type it again.

[riariadne]

ok here's some logs from IRC for your viewing pleasure

[spoiler=#sforestmafia][7:45pm] <Elieson>

From Kay: Hi. I don't have an excess of info I feel like handing out, or anything I particularly need to know from you, so what's up?

[7:45pm] <Elieson>

That was sent to me this morning

[7:45pm] <Elieson>

So umm

[7:45pm] <Xinnidy>

:/

[7:45pm] <thirteenth>

Inactive in thread. Scumtell from Elie's PM. Not coming to IRC or anything...

[7:45pm] <Elieson>

Hi guys let's not discuss anything game related

[7:46pm] <thirteenth>

Why?

[7:46pm] <Elieson>

IT CAME TO ME THIS MORNING I JUST GOT HOME

[7:46pm] <Elieson>

FROM WORK AND FROM THE HOSPITAL

[7:46pm] <scorri>

Elieson: i don't think he was talking about you

[7:46pm] <Xinnidy>

he's talking about her pm 13th

[7:46pm] <scorri>

i think he was talking about Kay

[7:46pm] <Elieson>

o

[7:46pm] <Elieson>

>.>

[7:46pm] <scorri>

like

[7:46pm] <Elieson>

Sent to me at Sent Today, 07:37 AM

[7:46pm] <thirteenth>

I am trying to determine...

[7:46pm] <scorri>

Kay is being super avoiding of the game

[7:46pm] <timaeusTestified>

i haven't even talked to kay all game because she's never on at good times

[7:46pm] <thirteenth>

Same, Strider

[7:46pm] <Elieson>

I PM'd her because she has no interest in reaching out

[7:47pm] <Elieson>

apparently

[7:47pm] <scorri>

i briefly talked to her

[7:47pm] <Elieson>

and well if you're not gonna play the game then

[7:47pm] <TimelordSho>

when i talk to her i get nothing out her

[7:47pm] <Elieson>

either A: You are cam and don't care

[7:47pm] <scorri>

her answer was "i'm lazy and inactive so i don't have any thoughts"

[7:47pm] <timaeusTestified>

we won't get a claim from her at a reasonable time

[7:47pm] <Elieson>

B: You are scum/cult and coasting

[7:47pm] <Elieson>

C: Genuinely busy but not telling people you are busy when you are actually around

[7:47pm] <Xinnidy>

at least like

[7:47pm] <TimelordSho>

ALL I have gotten out her is that she iddled tonight and that she has some role that can iddle

[7:47pm] <Xinnidy>

cam answers when I leave him a question on skype

[7:47pm] <timaeusTestified>

yeah.

[7:47pm] <Xinnidy>

but Kay is kinda... :/

[7:48pm] <thirteenth>

Kay is just suspicious.

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

well yea Cam comes back eventually and he's in gradeschool

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

lik

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

That message

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

to me

[7:48pm] <timaeusTestified>

then again

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

is why I'm interested in her lynch

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

being inactive is one thing

[7:48pm] <timaeusTestified>

implying kay is active in any game

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

choosing not to be active is another

[7:48pm] » timaeusTestified

not a hypocrite

[7:48pm] <scorri>

lol

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

Rein at least you talk to me when I message you

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

about game related things

[7:48pm] <Xinnidy>

hi strider how are you *shot*

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

you don't just go

[7:48pm] <scorri>

haha

[7:48pm] <Elieson>

"I don't wanna talk to you about anything"

[7:49pm] <thirteenth>

I'm comfortable with a Kay Lynch with this information.

[7:49pm] <TimelordSho>

who wants to pull the metacard

[7:49pm] <thirteenth>

But then again, my opinion is not worth it

[7:49pm] <timaeusTestified>

nobody

[7:49pm] <TimelordSho>

because it aint stopping people voting my attitude

[7:49pm] <Xinnidy>

13th just take that last part off

[7:49pm] <Xinnidy>

lol

[7:50pm] <TimelordSho>

Its fun when i get voted for MY POST RESTRICKTION BEING ANNOYING

[7:50pm] <Sangyul>

Schoolboy mafia

[7:50pm] <TimelordSho>

when i flat out tell what it is

[7:50pm] <timaeusTestified>

we do not talk about ToV mafia here

[7:50pm] <scorri>

heh

[7:50pm] <scorri>

look

[7:51pm] <TimelordSho>

but it was such fun game

[7:51pm] <timaeusTestified>

we do not talk about ToV mafia here

[7:51pm] <TimelordSho>

kick in 3... 2.. 1...

[7:51pm] <scorri>

thirteenth: have you claimed to someone? it may or may not help, but it might help to get the lynch off of you

[7:51pm] <timaeusTestified>

tracker

[7:51pm] <scorri>

oh ok

[7:51pm] <thirteenth>

Wait when did Strider learn my role.

[7:52pm] <timaeusTestified>

sho mentioned it

[7:52pm] <scorri>

yay for missing things

[7:52pm] <Xinnidy>

SHo

[7:52pm] <TimelordSho>

when i told everyone in this chat

[7:52pm] <scorri>

welp

[7:52pm] <Elieson>

Sho.M.The.Big.Mouth

[7:52pm] <TimelordSho>

trying to defend your ass

[7:52pm] <scorri>

what was your report?

[7:52pm] <timaeusTestified>

shinori visited nobody

[7:52pm] <scorri>

ah

[7:52pm] <scorri>

ok

[7:52pm] <thirteenth>

I tracked shinori, he visited nobody

[7:52pm] <thirteenth>

mfw Strider knows more than I do about my own role

[7:52pm] <Elieson>

That concerns me

[7:52pm] <TimelordSho>

then you appeared and kinda did even worse than I did

[7:52pm] <scorri>

heh

[7:52pm] <Elieson>

but

[7:52pm] <Elieson>

You all probably know why

[7:52pm] <scorri>

*shrug*

[7:53pm] <Elieson>

minus Rein because he's Rein

[7:53pm] <scorri>

i mean

[7:53pm] <timaeusTestified>

what's that supposed to mean :(

[7:53pm] <scorri>

there are easier ways to fake a tracker report than claiming to have tracked someone who was jailed

[7:53pm] <Elieson>

I mean

[7:53pm] <thirteenth>

OK, so I'm actually arguing whether me voting Kay would be good or not, because my sheeping already scumtells me.

[7:53pm] <Elieson>

I didn't tell Rein

[7:53pm] <Elieson>

why that result would dissappoint me

[7:54pm] <Elieson>

but I mentioned it

[7:54pm] <Elieson>

13 if you think Kay is scummy

[7:54pm] <Elieson>

vote for her and say why

[7:54pm] <Elieson>

She's done like 1 thing

[7:54pm] <Elieson>

therefore it's not sheeping because it's the only thing there is

[7:54pm] <thirteenth>

My why is basically your post, Elie.

[7:55pm] <Elieson>

well, yea that

[7:55pm] <timaeusTestified>

there's nothing out there for her

[7:55pm] <scorri>

ok, so i don't want to lynch a tracker claim right now

[7:55pm] <timaeusTestified>

i have no interaction with kay whatsoever

[7:55pm] <scorri>

one of my issues with lynching kay is that we'd have no chance to get a claim from her likely

[7:55pm] <scorri>

which means that when she's claimed active

[7:55pm] <scorri>

is iffy

[7:55pm] <thirteenth>

...

[7:56pm] <timaeusTestified>

that's true.

[7:56pm] <scorri>

but

[7:56pm] <thirteenth>

God I almost had decided to vote her but now I have even MORE to think

[7:56pm] <scorri>

she also claimed to idle

[7:56pm] <scorri>

i dunno

[7:56pm] <thirteenth>

Which could mean something like doctor, since there are NO KILLS.

[7:56pm] <scorri>

yes

[7:56pm] <thirteenth>

on Night 0

[7:56pm] <scorri>

i'm aware

[7:56pm] <scorri>

it also means probably not a cop

[7:56pm] <scorri>

but

[7:57pm] <scorri>

that's probably enough role spec, and i shouldn't have really started that in the first place

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

its not that

[7:57pm] <timaeusTestified>

does anyone know anything else

[7:57pm] <thirteenth>

she's suspicious as hell is all we know.

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

she said and i quote

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

[15:26] <Kay> eh, well, either way, idled because I left in a hurry because I had to get to work earlier than I had thought, and mindblanked that I hadn't sent an action yet

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

[15:26] <ShotheGreat> ic

[7:57pm] <TimelordSho>

[15:26] <Kay> I figure I should make sure someone knows it now, so it doesn't look awful when I claim

[7:58pm] <scorri>

...

[7:58pm] <thirteenth>

That looks awful already

[7:58pm] <scorri>

i see

[7:58pm] <scorri>

welp

[7:58pm] <timaeusTestified>

gg

[7:58pm] <TimelordSho>

not a doctor/10

[7:58pm] <Elieson>

that is horrible

[7:58pm] <thirteenth>

Do we show that log in a post?

[7:59pm] <scorri>

i mean

[7:59pm] <Xinnidy>

:/ welpwelp

[7:59pm] <timaeusTestified>

well i'd rather lynch that over tracker claim

[7:59pm] <scorri>

*sigh*

[7:59pm] <scorri>

i dunno

[7:59pm] <scorri>

ok

[7:59pm] <Elieson>

so we have Kay claiming to idle due to laziness

[7:59pm] <TimelordSho>

Its not exactly relevant outside not a doctor

[7:59pm] <timaeusTestified>

especially cause tracker is pretty good with a cult running around

[7:59pm] <scorri>

i'm just worried that it could be a cop

[7:59pm] <Elieson>

as opposed to a doc reason

[7:59pm] <timaeusTestified>

yeah, that'd suck i guess

[7:59pm] <timaeusTestified>

i dunno why i said i guess

[7:59pm] <TimelordSho>

cop that iddles

[8:00pm] <timaeusTestified>

that'd suck a whole lot

[8:00pm] <TimelordSho>

how the fuck you iddle as cop

[8:00pm] <TimelordSho>

this isnt exatly hard

[8:00pm] <Xinnidy>

^

[8:00pm] <thirteenth>

Why the fuck do you idle as cop

[8:00pm] <TimelordSho>

i would post an action when i see the role pm

[8:00pm] <Elieson>

yea

[8:00pm] <thirteenth>

Exactly, Sho

[8:00pm] <TimelordSho>

i can change whenever i want

[8:00pm] <Elieson>

and modify it if needed

[8:00pm] <Paperblade>

sup girls

[8:00pm] <TimelordSho>

hi paper

[8:00pm] <timaeusTestified>

oi Paperblade

[8:00pm] <thirteenth>

Yo Paperbrad.

[8:00pm] <TimelordSho>

13th has been amazing

[8:01pm] <TimelordSho>

kamen rider amazing

[8:01pm] <Xinnidy>

hi paper

[8:01pm] <Elieson>

papergay

[8:01pm] <TimelordSho>

and I mentioned ToV

[8:01pm] <Elieson>

how ya are you

[8:01pm] <TimelordSho>

looking good

[8:01pm] <Elieson>

we knew that already

[8:01pm] <scorri>

look, i'm not saying that kay!cop makes a ton of sense, i'm just being paranoid i guess

[8:02pm] <thirteenth>

Explain to me why ToV was bad?

[8:02pm] <Shinori>

<@timaeusTestified> we do not talk about ToV mafia here

[8:02pm] <Shinori>

I FOUND THAT MAFIA FUN

[8:02pm] <timaeusTestified>

everything about it

[8:02pm] <Elieson>

OH LOOK WHO GRACED US WITH HIS APPEARANCE

[8:02pm] <scorri>

hi Shinori <3

[8:02pm] <thirteenth>

I want a LITTLE detail.

[8:02pm] <timaeusTestified>

nope nope nope nope nope

[8:02pm] <timaeusTestified>

nope

[8:02pm] <Xinnidy>

lol

[8:02pm] <Elieson>

if Kay is cop

[8:02pm] <Elieson>

and idle'd by accident

[8:02pm] <Elieson>

then

[8:02pm] <thirteenth>

I take it it was ALMOST as bad as GSMafia

[8:02pm] <timaeusTestified>

if Kay idled as cop, fuck her

[8:02pm] <Elieson>

what's she doing

[8:03pm] <Xinnidy>

then why did you joooooooooooooooiiiiiiin

[8:03pm] <Shinori>

Hi elie

[8:03pm] <Shinori>

We should sit down some time

[8:03pm] <Shinori>

and work on .hack

[8:03pm] <TimelordSho>

ToV is so bad mod tells not to mention it

[8:03pm] <TimelordSho>

nuff said

[8:03pm] <Shinori>

I liked ToV

[8:03pm] <Shinori>

Don't worry

[8:04pm] <Shinori>

I'll make one that's both worse and better.

[8:04pm] <Elieson>

Hi shinori, i'd love that

[8:04pm] <Elieson>

sit on my lap

[8:04pm] <Elieson>

talk some .hack

[8:04pm] <Xinnidy>

lol

[8:04pm] <Elieson>

you know

[8:04pm] <Elieson>

the fun stuff

[8:04pm] <Shinori>

YOU ARE NOT SANTA

[8:04pm] <Shinori>

AND EVEN IF YOU WERE

[8:04pm] <thirteenth>

So time to try and make a post that makes sense

[8:04pm] <Shinori>

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE AWKWARD

[8:04pm] <thirteenth>

Sho do I post that log?

[8:04pm] <Elieson>

ok ok

[8:04pm] <Elieson>

I'll sit on your lap

[8:04pm] <Elieson>

i didn't know you preffered that

[8:04pm] <scorri>

thirteenth: if you want you can

[8:04pm] <TimelordSho>

i do not see how its relevant

[8:05pm] <TimelordSho>

but fire at will

[8:06pm] <timaeusTestified>

i have a mighty 2 posts now

[8:06pm] <BBM>

this case on kay is kinda dumb imo

[8:06pm] <thirteenth>

Why so?

[8:06pm] <Elieson>

well mighty BBM

[8:06pm] <BBM>

she idled because laziness/she forgot, so she' scum?

[8:06pm] <Elieson>

what have you got

[8:07pm] <thirteenth>

That's not the whole case, BBM

[8:07pm] <Elieson>

BBM that is barely the case

[8:07pm] <timaeusTestified>

i posted a few logs about how she's also being an uncooperative fuck

[8:07pm] <Elieson>

have you read anything beyond that line?

[8:07pm] <BBM>

the rest of it is that she's been inactive

[8:07pm] <scorri>

and uncooperative

[8:07pm] <Elieson>

She PM'd me today about how she refuses to discuss anything with me

[8:07pm] <thirteenth>

Did you even read Elie'

[8:07pm] <thirteenth>

s

[8:07pm] <Elieson>

and doesn't want my input on a single thing

[8:07pm] <thirteenth>

post

[8:07pm] <BBM>

i read it

[8:07pm] <BBM>

that's not what it said to me

[8:07pm] <Elieson>

From Kay: Hi. I don't have an excess of info I feel like handing out, or anything I particularly need to know from you, so what's up?

[8:07pm] <BBM>

i got "what's up i have nothing to say to you"

[8:08pm] <Elieson>

How do you interpret that

[8:08pm] <BBM>

how is it any different from cam saying

[8:08pm] <Elieson>

I got

[8:08pm] <BBM>

i'm sorry i have nothing to say to you you guys start conversations

[8:08pm] <Elieson>

"Look i'm gonna hang over here in my hole and dont want to get involved with anything"

[8:08pm] <scorri>

BBM: i tried to talk to her, asked her for thoughts

[8:08pm] <timaeusTestified>

yes because cam is the pinnacle of activity

[8:08pm] <scorri>

got "i'm inactive and lazy and have none"

[8:08pm] <TimelordSho>

Imma vote Kay now

[8:09pm] <TimelordSho>

reason: AT LEAST THIRTEEN TRIES

[8:09pm] <BBM>

yeah, rein that's exactly my point

[8:09pm] <timaeusTestified>

cam is also bad

[8:09pm] <timaeusTestified>

but at least he answers people legitimately

[8:09pm] <scorri>

he's still giving something

[8:09pm] <BBM>

why do you guys want to lynch kay over cam when they've both done nothing

[8:09pm] <BBM>

that doesn't actually mean anything

[8:09pm] <scorri>

cause cam's been trying

[8:09pm] <Xinnidy>

cam has done stuff, not matter how small

[8:09pm] <scorri>

and kay has been actively not trying

[8:09pm] <Xinnidy>

it's still a significant difference from kay

[8:10pm] <thirteenth>

Cam's been, y'know, actively giving opinion

[8:10pm] <BBM>

when i asked kay for reads, she said that she thought helios was scummy

[8:10pm] <BBM>

gave me reasons for it

[8:10pm] <BBM>

and made a post about it inthread

[8:10pm] <thirteenth>

Well, then why did she only talk to you

[8:10pm] <BBM>

i dont know

[8:10pm] <Xinnidy>

she didn't mention anything about helios to me

[8:10pm] <BBM>

but cam hasn't offered a single sucmread

[8:10pm] <Xinnidy>

when I did try to talk to her

[8:10pm] <scorri>

BBM: when was this?

[8:10pm] <BBM>

for all that he's putting in more effort

[8:10pm] <BBM>

yesterday night

[8:11pm] <scorri>

and yet when elie asked her

[8:11pm] <scorri>

this morning

[8:11pm] <scorri>

she refused to say anything

[8:11pm] <BBM>

that's not what she said

[8:11pm] <scorri>

yes

[8:11pm] <scorri>

it was

[8:11pm] <BBM>

nooooo

[8:11pm] <Elieson>

BBM, Kay has outright tried NOT TO CONTRIBUTE

[8:11pm] <Elieson>

Cam has contributed, albeit poorly

[8:11pm] <scorri>

"i have nothing i want to talk with you about"

[8:11pm] <BBM>

i think you're completely misinterpreted it

[8:11pm] <Xinnidy>

there's nothing to misinterpret

[8:11pm] <BBM>

yeah, sothat means that she has nothing to tell him

[8:12pm] <BBM>

that doesnt mean that she has no answers to give if we ask questions

[8:12pm] <Xinnidy>

unless you have proof from her like eli had a log

[8:12pm] <BBM>

and she gave me an answer when i asked her

[8:12pm] <scorri>

i did ask her questions

[8:12pm] <BBM>

i have proof

[8:12pm] <scorri>

i asked her about thoughts and such

[8:12pm] <BBM>

one min

[8:12pm] <Xinnidy>

I asked questions

[8:12pm] <Xinnidy>

that's the thing

[8:12pm] <scorri>

and she also refused to answer me

[8:12pm] <scorri>

congrats BBM you're special

[8:12pm] <scorri>

but interacting with one person

[8:12pm] <scorri>

is not helpful

[8:13pm] <Sangyul>

Hahahaha

[8:13pm] <BBM>

okay so what if cam is interacting with more people

[8:13pm] <BBM>

has he made any effort to scumhunt?

[8:13pm] <Sangyul>

I'm sorry, I just laughed at "congrats BBM you're special"

[8:13pm] <scorri>

Sangyul: <3

[8:13pm] <BBM>

tell me one person he's found scummy

[8:13pm] <BBM>

and boron i'm the most special ;)

[8:13pm] <Xinnidy>

BORONDOOF

[8:13pm] <Sangyul>

XINNIDOOF

[8:13pm] <TimelordSho>

so BBM

[8:13pm] <Sangyul>

Don't let me kill the convo, carry on

[8:14pm] <Xinnidy>

it's ok

[8:14pm] <scorri>

BBM: if you find cam so bad, why not vote him?

[8:14pm] <BBM>

the only opinions i've seen him give about whether he found someone scummy or not

[8:14pm] <TimelordSho>

what is your nudge then

[8:14pm] <BBM>

was saying he didnt find mancer scummy

[8:14pm] <TimelordSho>

if not kay then what?

[8:14pm] <BBM>

i'd prefer 13th > cam > kay

[8:14pm] <BBM>

because i still dont like 13ths attitude at all

[8:14pm] <Xinnidy>

BBM, you are aware that you're basing all your whole argument on the same thing, and keep repeating it over and over

[8:14pm] <TimelordSho>

I dont like it

[8:14pm] <TimelordSho>

but its not legit vote reason

[8:14pm] <BBM>

and he conveniently tracked a person that half the game knew was passive

[8:15pm] <TimelordSho>

his attitude that is

[8:15pm] <BBM>

and he's been waffly and indecisive in-thread

[8:15pm] <thirteenth>

A role that I had not known was passive

[8:15pm] <BBM>

and backed both sides of 1v1 arguments

[8:15pm] <thirteenth>

Due to me not communicating, but that's me being poor at OC.

[8:15pm] <Elieson>

BBM what's conclusive about that?

[8:15pm] <scorri>

also, kay's reasoning is "i don't like his posts and halfheartedly wagons"

[8:15pm] <Elieson>

also look at the Mancer arugment

[8:16pm] <BBM>

i see all that as being much more scummy than kay not giving a fuck

[8:16pm] <Elieson>

Baldrick should be scummy by that regard then, since he waffled

[8:16pm] <BBM>

or cam not giving a fuck

[8:16pm] <BBM>

and i mentioned baldrick too

[8:16pm] <BBM>

in my scumreads

[8:16pm] <BBM>

earlier

[8:16pm] <BBM>

just not in the ones i gave just now

[8:16pm] <BBM>

but i mentioned baldrick in-thread and to scorri last night

[8:16pm] <thirteenth>

I'm at least trying to contribute something, though. Kay isn't even trying to contribute

[8:17pm] <BBM>

well

[8:17pm] <BBM>

okay

[8:17pm] <BBM>

but if we want to lynch someone who hasnt been contributing

[8:17pm] <BBM>

cam hasnt been either

[8:17pm] <BBM>

just because he's talked to people doesn't mean he's been contributing

[8:17pm] <BBM>

that's pseudo-contribution

[8:18pm] <scorri>

BBM: why so against kay?

[8:18pm] <BBM>

hmm?

[8:18pm] <BBM>

i'm arguing against cam

[8:18pm] <thirteenth>

Why are you against a Kay Lynch

[8:18pm] <scorri>

^

[8:18pm] <BBM>

oh

[8:18pm] <scorri>

you're pretty hard defending her right now

[8:18pm] <scorri>

with little proof from what i've seen

[8:18pm] <BBM>

because i think both cam and 13th are more scummy than her

[8:18pm] <thirteenth>

Because I shall be honest. Your stubborn defense of Kay is painting you in an extremely scummy lighyt

[8:18pm] <TimelordSho>

little proof for little case

[8:18pm] <BBM>

and one of them is scummy for the EXACT SAME REASON as kay

[8:19pm] <scorri>

i never said i was perfectly ok with cam

[8:19pm] <timaeusTestified>

cam

[8:19pm] <BBM>

and here comes 13th saying that just because i'm defending someone i'm scummy

[8:19pm] <scorri>

i'm just saying i find kay worse right now due to logs i have and have seen

[8:19pm] <BBM>

how the fuck does that even make sense

[8:19pm] <TimelordSho>

hey guys

[8:19pm] <TimelordSho>

vote me

[8:19pm] <BBM>

before she even flips

[8:19pm] <timaeusTestified>

s bad too but not worse than kay

[8:19pm] <BBM>

except he is

[8:19pm] <TimelordSho>

i defended both mancer and 13th

[8:19pm] <TimelordSho>

i am soo scummy

[8:19pm] <scorri>

*sigh*

[8:20pm] <thirteenth>

You know we could say the same thing as you did. We think Kay is scummy for the exact same reason as Cam.

[8:20pm] <scorri>

i'm not saying BBM is scummy just because he's defending kay

[8:20pm] <BBM>

13th is

[8:20pm] <scorri>

i'm just saying i'm finding it odd

[8:20pm] <thirteenth>

And then on the topic of your other person, Helios is scummy for similar reasons to me

[8:20pm] <timaeusTestified>

you

[8:20pm] <scorri>

BBM: do you think kay is town?

[8:20pm] <timaeusTestified>

fuck i can't hit apostrophes for my life

[8:20pm] <BBM>

i dont necessarily think that

[8:21pm] <scorri>

what do you think

[8:21pm] <BBM>

i think that cam and 13th are less likely to be town

[8:21pm] <scorri>

that's not what i asked

[8:21pm] <scorri>

what are your thoughts on kay

[8:21pm] <BBM>

okay

[8:21pm] <BBM>

i agree that her not contributing is not great

[8:21pm] <BBM>

but it's not inherently scummy

[8:22pm] <BBM>

shes null for me

[8:22pm] <scorri>

i see

[8:22pm] <thirteenth>

I see

[8:22pm] <BBM>

because i'm interpreting her response to elie in a completely different way than you guys

[8:22pm] <thirteenth>

In a way that makes less sense to many of us.

[8:22pm] <Elieson>

well isn't half of scumhunting interpreting responses?

[8:22pm] <BBM>

yeah it is

[8:22pm] <Elieson>

Your interpretation of what I find scummy

[8:23pm] <Elieson>

is something I disagree with

[8:23pm] <BBM>

okay

[8:23pm] <BBM>

that happens

[8:23pm] <BBM>

people can disagree on stuff like that

[8:23pm] <Elieson>

From Elieson: Hi

[8:23pm] <Elieson>

From Kay: Hi. I don't have an excess of info I feel like handing out, or anything I particularly need to know from you, so what's up?

[8:23pm] <BBM>

like i've said

[8:23pm] <Elieson>

Honestly, I can't see anything better than null from it

[8:23pm] <Elieson>

and I'm trying to look at it like it's null

[8:23pm] <BBM>

yeah, so i said it's null

[8:23pm] <Elieson>

had she sent me that during N0

[8:23pm] <scorri>

BBM: so, i have a question

[8:23pm] <Elieson>

i could see it being null, as it is bright and early game

[8:24pm] <Elieson>

but halfway through D1

[8:24pm] <scorri>

what did you ask her to get kay to tell you her view on helios?

[8:24pm] <thirteenth>

Elie, post the timestamp

[8:24pm] <BBM>

i asked her

[8:24pm] <BBM>

who do you think is scum?

[8:24pm] <scorri>

since you said you had proof?

[8:24pm] <BBM>

one min

[8:24pm] <scorri>

could you give us logs?

[8:24pm] <BBM>

or actually no she kinda just said it herself

[8:24pm] <Elieson>

Sent Yesterday, 10:30 AM Hi?

[8:24pm] <Elieson>

Sent Today, 07:37 AM Hi. I don't have an excess of info I feel like handing out, or anything I particularly need to know from you, so what's up?

[8:25pm] <scorri>

BBM: logs?

[8:25pm] <BBM>

http://mibpaste.com/dC1XUn

[8:25pm] <BBM>

asdasdas

[8:25pm] <BBM>

let me try that again

[8:25pm] <thirteenth>

So what are we basing our cases on here.

[8:26pm] <Elieson>

so Kay was somewhat conversational with BBM

[8:26pm] <Elieson>

and not at all with me

[8:26pm] <scorri>

and not with me either

[8:26pm] <BBM>

http://mibpaste.com/ZgcKTP

[8:26pm] <thirteenth>

gtg

[8:26pm] <Elieson>

how about

[8:26pm]

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[8:26pm] <BBM>

i agree that her content hasnt been good

[8:27pm] <Elieson>

has Kay made an effort to communicate with anyone here?

[8:27pm] <Elieson>

or have we all had to prod her

[8:27pm] <scorri>

BBM: so what day was it?

[8:27pm] <Elieson>

to get whatever response we got from her

[8:27pm] <scorri>

last night?

[8:27pm] <BBM>

but can any of you honestly tell me the name of a single person cam has found scummy?

[8:27pm] <scorri>

cause i have

[8:27pm] <BBM>

yeah

[8:27pm] <scorri>

Jan 13 22:22:07 <scorri>just wondering about your thoughts?

[8:27pm] <scorri>

Jan 13 22:22:40 <Kay>I'm lazy and inactive, I don't have many

[8:27pm] <BBM>

last night

[8:27pm] <BBM>

idk okay

[8:27pm] <timaeusTestified>

cam doesn't like 13th

[8:27pm] <scorri>

and that was it except me asking her if she had an info and her saying the only info she had was her role, so i didn't push that

[8:27pm] <BBM>

i agree that kay hasnt been doing anything

[8:27pm] <BBM>

and maybe this is meta

[8:28pm] <BBM>

but i see kay as a better player than that if she was scum and trying

[8:28pm]

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[8:28pm] <timaeusTestified>

>10:22

[8:28pm] <timaeusTestified>

fuck really

[8:28pm] <timaeusTestified>

right after I leave

[8:28pm] <scorri>

heh

[8:28pm] <Xinnidy>

the thing is BBM

[8:29pm] <timaeusTestified>

you're est right

[8:29pm] <BBM>

i see all these things you guys are telling me about her as a result of her being inactive

[8:29pm] <BBM>

not of her being scum

[8:29pm] <BBM>

whereas with cam

[8:29pm] <BBM>

i see it as him being scum

[8:29pm] <scorri>

rein: yeah

[8:29pm] <Xinnidy>

if she was town, why would she do that

[8:29pm] <BBM>

because he's actually been there to contribute

[8:29pm] <BBM>

and STILL hasnt said anything of value

[8:29pm] <scorri>

ok

[8:29pm] <scorri>

question

[8:29pm] <scorri>

who here has talked to cam?

[8:29pm] <Xinnidy>

she has had her change but didn't even said much

[8:29pm] <timaeusTestified>

me a few minutes ago

[8:29pm] <Xinnidy>

let alone of value

[8:29pm] <BBM>

i've spoken to him

[8:30pm] <Xinnidy>

me a few minutes ago

[8:30pm] <scorri>

did he give you any thoughts?

[8:30pm] <BBM>

she gave two lines about why helios is scummy

[8:30pm] <timaeusTestified>

i asked him about 13th and kay

[8:30pm] <BBM>

this is more than cam has given about anyone

[8:30pm] <timaeusTestified>

null on kay, doesn't like 13th

[8:30pm] <BBM>

to me anyways

[8:30pm] <Elieson>

CT075 posted: so in case you can't tell i will stand by the fact that the mancer wagon was opportunistic and bad. Just judging by how quickly that built up (there were what, 5 votes on him at it's peak?) it's pretty much certain that there were scum on it. if i'd had to guess i'd say it was one of the middle or later votes on it (offhand i want to say baldric

[8:30pm]

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[8:30pm] <timaeusTestified>

and that he'd get back to me

[8:30pm] <BBM>

that's like super shitty though

[8:30pm] <timaeusTestified>

it isn't nothing

[8:30pm] <scorri>

BBM: there's that

[8:31pm] <scorri>

but

[8:31pm] <scorri>

kay's reasons in thread are "helios jumps wagons and posts seem weird"

[8:31pm] <scorri>

which isn't much better either

[8:31pm] <Xinnidy>

indeed

[8:31pm]

Sentry joined the chat room.

[8:31pm] <BBM>

fair enough

[8:31pm] <BBM>

should we like

[8:31pm] <BBM>

post all this stuff in-thread

[8:32pm] <timaeusTestified>

i can only see up to 7:44

[8:32pm] <timaeusTestified>

how much of this specifically by "all this stuff"

[8:32pm] <Sangyul>

Paper is here

[8:32pm] <Sangyul>

As am I

[8:32pm] <BBM>

i can see only up to 8:08

[8:32pm] <Elieson>

I'm on mibbit and lose things pretty fast

[8:32pm] <BBM>

no i mean post it in thread for the benefit of the others playing

[8:32pm] <Sangyul>

Oh

[8:32pm] <Sangyul>

Start copyings

[scorri]

##Vote:Kay

Reasons are in logs, quick summary: inactive, aware of it, unwilling to try and change that from what I've heard, also her reason for voting Helios also seems weak to me.

[Paperblade]

Baldrick: Mancer

13th: Bluedoom, Rapier

Cam: Helios, Paulina, SB, BBM

Kay: Elieson, Roxie, Rein, 13th, Sho, Loocy, scorri

Helios: Kay

[Paulina]

13th, that vote switch looked a little strange. Your reasoning (Elie's PM and Sho's log) was sound enough, and it doesn't sound like Kay's been on the up-and-up. It just seems like quite a coincidence. Your actions on page 11 appeared like you realized the Helioswagon wasn't gaining traction, and decided to put your vote behind Kay instead, to bolster the wagon closest to yours. If you're town, I don't think you would be as worried about self-preservation; you would rather just follow your gut. And if/when you die and are revealed to be town, everyone would say, "Wow, 13th was legit, and he suspected Helios...that must mean Helios is scum." So, through POE, your death would still matter to the town's victory. The lynch is supposed to intimidate scum rather than town.

Before someone says "Then why aren't you voting for him," I wanted to put in the log that 13th's switch seemed strange. I still believe Cam has been the most suspicious player.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

So he should rather die when he knows for sure he is town than vote on kay who might be town?

...How did the town win again?

[MancerNecro]

I don't see how the Kay wagon is building up, really. Or maybe it's because I've not spoken to Kay OC yet that I don't see why the wagon is building.

Could someone explain the Kay wagon more clearly for me please?

[MancerNecro]

Kay wagon is because she doesn't try?

Also, the later series of votehops looks bad. I don't really like how 13th vs Kay and 13th tries while Kay doesn't is used as the reasoning. It's weak and makes the votehops look suspicious (including BBM's hop on Cam).

Is this just a characteristic of OC though?

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

KAy has done nothing this entire game. Not exactly helpful.

[BBM]

As I said in that log, I would have been okay with lynching 13th, but support for that seemed to be dying out and I felt that if we were going to vote someone for not contributing, Cam was a worse culprit in that aspect than Kay, because while Cam has been much more active, he still hasn't done any scumhunting past "Mancer wagon built really fast".

[Baldrick]

Rapier, that's a pretty big misrep of my Sho vote. He'd recently been revealed as behind Mancer's choice of action, which was strange based on what Elieson said about Shinori. I'll assume you were speedreading and saw my ironic statement literally.

NOt that I think about it, it makes little sense for Shinori to go around telling people he was itemless while bluffing Sho at the same time. That needs looking into later.

I have nothing much to add about Kay, apart from that I talked to her early on in the phase, because I noticed she hadn't posted yet. I got the impression she was busy so I didn't push very hard, but she didn't have too much to say about the game. A vote at this stage is unlikely to achieve anything, though.

Lucina's last two votes worry me. The first was a bit lazy, and the second was very obviously echoing the last post. I find both the role, and the confusion over how it would react to a night visitor to be suspicious. This slot is my second preference for the lynch.

##Vote: Lucina

[Rapier]

Unvote

##Vote: Kay

Because seriously, even though she's busy (and has been acting like this in many games so far), at least she should've done something about her inactivity instead of saying she was lazy. At least 13th is talking and we can get more info from him.

[CT075]

someone explain to me why we're lynching kay beyond "she's inactive and lazy"

am i seriously the only person allowed to be me around here

[MancerNecro]

someone explain to me why we're lynching kay beyond "she's inactive and lazy"

am i seriously the only person allowed to be me around here

Ikr.....