Void Mafia - Game Over

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

Sho over mancer for a argument caused by mancer remebering hi logs incorrectly

also

##Unvote: Mancer

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

asdf nation

##Unvote: Mancer

[Paperblade]

I forgot flavor, wrote up something real quick

[spoiler=flavor]The thing that called itself Arianne walked down the street, as things that go bump in the night were wont to do. Unfortunately, the night has a tendency to bump back.

It was over in an instant. Without her minions, she was helpless, and the wolf effortlessly ripped out her throat.

As it turned back into a man, before it went on its way, there was a growl. "This alpha is your omega."

As he strode away, the void flew out from its wounds, desperate for a new host. It remembered... yes, it remembered. It would be suitable. This was not over yet.

also votals

Mancer: scorri, Loocy

Marth: Shinori

Rapier: Baldrick

Cam: BBM, Elieson

[Baldrick]

Rapier: It's possible, but I don't really care about rolespec at the moment. I think the philsopher's stone situation is the best lead we have of finding scum. If you did let anyone in on the secret, now's the time to say so.

[Baldrick]

P.S. From Sho's log, I see what you mean about simultaneous claims, but I think that as scum, you may well have put two and two together and fakeclaimed vanilla in order to build up credability with Sho.

[Rapier]

Rapier: It's possible, but I don't really care about rolespec at the moment. I think the philsopher's stone situation is the best lead we have of finding scum. If you did let anyone in on the secret, now's the time to say so.

I didn't let anyone in on this secret. I don't know about Rein's hidden agenda, however.

Also, you are insulting my intelligence. Do you really think I would kill Rein and narrow the suspect list to me and Sho? No. I'd have him "in my side" and Sho as well, instead of becomming a suspect. Also, if I'm Cult, then that means I was not the one to snitch Rein.

[BBM]

##Unvote, ##Vote: Baldrick

For reasons Sho is about to post, plus I didn't like that wagon hopping on ED1. Also it makes more sense for mafia to have a role like that than town, tbh, because it lets mafia have high priority targets to shoot.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

[4:57:01] Saku Suonpää:

[03:50] <Baldrick> There's 16 hours 40 minutes left in the night

[03:50] <Baldrick> If I decide to claim to you, by what time should I do it?

[03:51] <Shoistheman> instantly

[03:51] <Shoistheman> the earlier

[03:51] <Shoistheman> the more advantage we can take of my knowledge

[03:52] <Baldrick> well, why not?

[03:52] <Baldrick> I'm an itemcop

[03:52] <Shoistheman> ic

[03:52] <Baldrick> I can target someone and find out the description of what items they have

[03:53] <Shoistheman> hmmm

[03:53] <Baldrick> what I want to do

[03:53] <Baldrick> is not target one of the alchemy holders

[03:53] <Shoistheman> i could make you target somebody i know having an item

[03:53] <Baldrick> since they'll be gone tonight anyway

[03:53] <Shoistheman> to check if you are honest

[03:53] <Shoistheman> or i could

[03:53] <Shoistheman> make you check BBM

[03:53] <Shoistheman> to see if he really did lost his bolt

[03:54] <Shoistheman> or you could check mancer to see if he actually took it

[03:54] <Shoistheman> expect he would lost it tonight regardless

[03:54] <Shoistheman> lemme think a minute about this

[03:55] <Shoistheman> check scorri

[03:55] <Baldrick> why?

[03:55] <Shoistheman> just to see if he is honest with his item claim

[03:56] <Baldrick> ok

[03:56] <Baldrick> she's one of the alchemy holders?

[03:57] <Shoistheman> if she was

[03:57] <Shoistheman> she either a) would have no item anymore

[03:57] <Shoistheman> or B) would be the stone holder

[03:57] <Shoistheman> and that you have to find out for yourself

[03:58] <Baldrick> fine

[04:01] <Baldrick> well, that's that

[4:57:23] Saku Suonpää:

[02:05] <Shoisawesome> who did you target night 0

[02:05] <Balbrick> ...

[02:05] <Balbrick> scorri

[02:05] <Shoisawesome> ic

[02:06] <Balbrick> her item is the clockmaker's trinket

[02:06] <Shoisawesome> what does it do?

[02:07] <Balbrick> did she claim that as well?

[02:07] <Shoisawesome> what does it do :P

[02:07] <Balbrick> hypnotises people

[02:08] <Shoisawesome> oh?

[02:08] <Shoisawesome> what happens when they are hypnod?

[02:09] <Balbrick> allows them to act twice

[02:09] <Balbrick> but it's one shot only

[02:10] <Shoisawesome> ic

[02:10] <Shoisawesome> now

[02:10] <Shoisawesome> who did you target

[02:10] <Shoisawesome> night 0

[02:10] <Balbrick> scorri

[02:10] <Shoisawesome> oh?

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:54] <Shoistheman> lemme think a minute about this

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:55] <Shoistheman> check scorri

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:55] <Baldrick> why?

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:55] <Shoistheman> just to see if he is honest with his item claim

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:56] <Baldrick> ok

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:56] <Baldrick> she's one of the alchemy holders?

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:57] <Shoistheman> if she was

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:57] <Shoistheman> she either a) would have no item anymore

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:57] <Shoistheman> or B) would be the stone holder

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:57] <Shoistheman> and that you have to find out for yourself

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [03:58] <Baldrick> fine

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [04:01] <Baldrick> well, that's that

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [04:01] <Shoistheman> pretty much

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [04:02] <Baldrick> see you tomorrow

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> [04:03] <Shoistheman> k

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> about 15 hourse before N1 ended

[02:11] <Balbrick> I checked her night 0

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> so you targetted scorri twise?

[02:11] <Balbrick> didn't see the need to check her again

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> is that it=

[02:11] <Shoisawesome> then what did you check tonight

[02:12] <Balbrick> bb,

[02:12] <Balbrick> *bbm

[02:12] <Shoisawesome> blank?

[02:12] <Balbrick> no

[02:12] <Shoisawesome> then what did he have?

[02:12] <Balbrick> crossbow bolt

[02:12] <Shoisawesome> so

[02:12] <Balbrick> you know who it's for, right?

[02:13] <Shoisawesome> WHAT

[02:13] <Shoisawesome> so

Yes that is irc log copypasted to skype and the copy pasted here. Pasteception

This with this log,

[12/01/2013 21:10:07] Eli: But didnt say how

[12/01/2013 21:11:00] Lorddomu: I think he'd have to be too bold to be scum/void and announce something like that

[12/01/2013 21:11:08] Lorddomu: then again, if he didn't, he wouldn't get any results

[12/01/2013 21:11:45] Eli: Well he is Sho. I have heard crazy things about how be breaks games

[12/01/2013 21:12:10] Eli: I dunno if he wants alchemic items to mix, doesn't really bother me at this time since I don't give actual materials

[12/01/2013 21:13:47] Lorddomu: even so, doesn't it bother you if he gets all the materials?

[12/01/2013 21:22:44] Eli: Wel I mean it does but

[12/01/2013 21:22:59] Eli: I can't stop it f I have nothing to give him, ya know?

[12/01/2013 21:23:09] Eli: Also rein approached Scorri for the same thing

[12/01/2013 21:25:50] Lorddomu: well, you're right

[12/01/2013 21:41:19] Eli: Lemme ask

[12/01/2013 21:41:26] Eli: Does alchemic stuff matter to you?

[12/01/2013 21:43:05] Lorddomu: nope

[12/01/2013 21:43:18] Lorddomu: though I'm curious about what Sho might be scheming

Makes me think Scorri told his/her scumbuddy Baldrick to target Rein night 0. Baldy found out rein is component holder and they figured to go for him Night 1. Baldy's actions day 1 and his incapability to recall he targetted scorri night 0 when he asked me who to target, leads me to think he is the more scummy and thus the perfect kill target

##Vote: Baldrick

I like my new habbit of daily Baldy vote

[scorri]

##Unvote

##Vote:Baldrick

Wheeeeee that's not quite my item.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

I completely forgot emphasise this

That first log where i tell him to target scorri is during night 1. Note how he completely forgets the fact (assuming he is honest) he has already targeted scorri night 0.

[Bluedoom]

##Vote: Baldrick

Nice contradiction there.

[Helios]

Wait so the first log is from N1, and the second log is from N0?

[Helios]

##Unvote (I don't remember if I was voting or not)

##Vote Baldrick

Alright I read it again and I actually understand Sho's thought process here and get where the contradiction and his theories are coming from now.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

First Baldy log is night 1, second is day 2.

Eliedomu log is night 0

[MancerNecro]

##Vote: Baldrick then.

Noting how eager Baldrick was in voting me (I voted him because of it in Day 1, which everyone subsequently ignored).

[Ema Skye]

##Unvote: (MancerNecro)

##Vote: Baldrick

Let's go hoping onto this wagon.

[MancerNecro]

##Unvote: (MancerNecro)

##Vote: Baldrick

Let's go hoping onto this wagon.

That sounds really bad on you, Lucina. As though you're just content with hopping on wagons. I'm suspecting you because of it.

[Shinori]

I'll join the baldrick wagon I guess but one thing I feel like stating.

We don't know if Rein was actually killed because he was the stone holder or if it was for another reason.

I can think of a few off the type of my head from MY perspective.

[Shinori]

I want to lynch sho now. Or at least I want something to happen to him. I guess Baldrick comes first though.

All the stuff about the stone going to rein then magically rein dying and all this other stuff about him being 100% sure that mafia killed him because of him holding the stone is just too much.

I also really dislike it when people dodge around questions and I have to ask it multiple times to get a simple yes/no answer.

Sho likes to do this a lot.

[spoiler=logs of convo we had, PROBABLY WONT HELP TOO MUCH BUT WHATEVER]Session Start: Fri Jan 18 18:52:26 2013

Session Ident: KingoftheThievesSho

[23:57] <Gonsho> Start spewing

[23:57] <Gonsho> Why else would Rein be killed

01[23:57] <Shino> Why do you seem so sure he died because he had the stone?

01[23:58] <Shino> Considering it was supposedly a really closed in topic

01[23:58] <Shino> That you guys were keeping hidden

[23:58] <Gonsho> Why would I not be

01[23:58] <Shino> How many people supposedly knew that he was going to have the stone?

[23:58] <Gonsho> name one other reason

[23:58] <Gonsho> that knew for sure?

[23:58] <Gonsho> me an rapier

01[23:58] <Shino> Yeah that knew for sure

[23:58] <Gonsho> that might have guessed?

01[23:58] <Shino> And supposedly someone else find out?

[23:59] <Gonsho> 5 at absilute max

01[23:59] <Shino> 5 people total?

01[23:59] <Shino> Including you rapier and rein?

[23:59] <Gonsho> at max that many could have figured

[23:59] <Gonsho> it was rein

[23:59] <Gonsho> only the holders knew for sure

Session Time: Sat Jan 19 00:00:00 2013

01[00:00] <Shino> so in otherwords if rein was killed because of him having the stone that means someone amongst the 4 other people could have possibly killed him because of that, NOT COUNTING RANDOM ROLES LIKE ITEM CHECKER

01[00:00] <Shino> that's a pretty low % chance for that to happen.

[00:00] <Gonsho> oh really

01[00:00] <Shino> 5 people

[00:00] <Gonsho> funny you should say that

01[00:00] <Shino> - rein

01[00:00] <Shino> is 4 people

01[00:00] <Shino> That means 4 people out of 18 people

[00:00] <Gonsho> when its the likeliest reason

01[00:01] <Shino> I don't know a lot of mafia's could play differently

[00:01] <Gonsho> There was absolutely no other reason to do it

01[00:01] <Shino> Do you know how many people Rein actually talked to?

[00:01] <Gonsho> quite a few

[00:01] <Gonsho> its OC

[00:01] <Gonsho> you abuse it

01[00:01] <Shino> Mkay.

[00:01] <Gonsho> let me make this simple

01[00:01] <Shino> So you know he talked a lot to various people?

01[00:01] <Shino> or are you just assuming it

01[00:01] <Shino> because it's oc

[00:02] <Gonsho> he hasnt implied he has power role

01[00:02] <Shino> I didn't say anything about a power role.

01[00:02] <Shino> Do you know if rein defintely talked to a lot of people.

[00:02] <Gonsho> he has not implied he has item outside his high interest in alchemy

01[00:02] <Shino> Or are you just guessing it because OC?

01[00:02] <Shino> ANSWER THE QUESTION

[00:02] <Gonsho> there is no reason for mafia to kill him

[00:02] <Gonsho> unless they know of the stone holding part

01[00:02] <Shino> Do you know what a null-info kill is? Or a Safe kill?

[00:03] <Gonsho> Its obvious he talked to plenty

01[00:03] <Shino> See the issue is

01[00:03] <Shino> "It's obvious"

01[00:03] <Shino> did he tell you that?

01[00:03] <Shino> Did other peole tell you that?

[00:03] <Gonsho> dude its OC

01[00:03] <Shino> Or are you assuming?

01[00:03] <Shino> YOU ARE FUCKING

[00:03] <Gonsho> you talk to people

01[00:03] <Shino> ASSUMING

01[00:03] <Shino> ITS FUCKING OC

01[00:03] <Shino> SO EVERYONE TALKS

01[00:03] <Shino> Kay

01[00:03] <Shino> Marth

[00:03] <Gonsho> Kay paid the cost

01[00:03] <Shino> There are a few other people who haven't talked all too much

[00:04] <Gonsho> you really think the flipping cult leader would take the risk

[00:04] <Gonsho> and marth talks plenty

01[00:04] <Shino> And I guess rein could technically paid the cost as well. He could have easily have been killed for a safe kill or null reasonings

01[00:04] <Shino> OR

[00:04] <Gonsho> just not to yoy

[00:04] <Gonsho> *you

01[00:04] <Shino> SCUM COULD HAVE FOUND OUT HE WAS CULT

[00:04] <Gonsho> nw tell me

01[00:04] <Shino> AND CHOSE TO KILL HIM

01[00:04] <Shino> CONSIDERING CULT AFFECTS THEM AS WELL

[00:04] <Gonsho> why would mafia kill rein

01[00:04] <Shino> I have stated

01[00:04] <Shino> Three reasons

01[00:04] <Shino> Just now

[00:04] <Gonsho> ok first of all

[00:04] <Gonsho> if they knew he was cult

01[00:05] <Shino> Don't say they would leave him alive

[00:05] <Gonsho> they would absolutely NOT KILL HIM BECAUSE HE IS THE FUCKING CULT

01[00:05] <Shino> Because of his role showing that leaving him alive would have been dangerous

01[00:05] <Shino> DO YOU SEE HIS ROLE

[00:05] <Gonsho> YES I DID

[00:05] <Gonsho> HE FUCKING CANT CULT MAFIA

01[00:05] <Shino> No but he can easily fuck up mafia.

[00:05] <Gonsho> IF THEY SAW HIS ROLE

[00:05] <Gonsho> THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK

01[00:05] <Shino> and the cult basically gets two lives

[00:05] <Gonsho> THEY LET HIM RUIN TOWN

[00:05] <Gonsho> THEN KILL HIM

[00:06] <Gonsho> HIS EXISTANCE HELPS THEM TO WIN DAMMIT

01[00:06] <Shino> Possible idea, except for the fact that it has TWO LIVES

01[00:06] <Shino> Which means they kill him and worst case scenario

[00:06] <Gonsho> SO

01[00:06] <Shino> they don't know the other cult leader

01[00:06] <Shino> and they get fucked because of it

[00:06] <Gonsho> YOU HAVE ANY FUCKING IDEA HOW MUCH PEOPLE IN THI GAME IS

[00:06] <Gonsho> MAFIA NEEDS ALL THE FUCKING ANTI TOWN IT CAN GET

01[00:06] <Shino> And you are just assuming that people talk a lot because it's OC

[00:07] <Gonsho> and honestly

01[00:07] <Shino> you are also just assuming

[00:07] <Gonsho> how the fuck would they find out

01[00:07] <Shino> That he ONLY died because he had the stone

[00:07] <Gonsho> role cop?

01[00:07] <Shino> Which truthfully means

01[00:07] <Shino> Wait

01[00:07] <Shino> let me say this part

01[00:07] <Shino> If he died because he had the stone

01[00:07] <Shino> it comes down to two things

[00:07] <Gonsho> YOUD THINK THEY WOULD LUNCH THE CULT LEADER TO CLEAR SCUMCOP

01[00:07] <Shino> Scum had an item checker, which heavily relies on Baldrick flipping scum item cop

01[00:07] <Shino> OR

01[00:07] <Shino> One of the 4 people, which includes you is scum.

[00:07] <Gonsho> No shit

01[00:07] <Shino> So

01[00:08] <Shino> IF BALDRICK FLIPPED TOWN? I highly doubt

01[00:08] <Shino> WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS ENTIRE SHIT THAT YOU ASSUMED?

[00:08] <Gonsho> There is no fucking reason to kill him unless they know of the stone

01[00:08] <Shino> there's no fucking reason for them to know he had the stone

01[00:08] <Shino> In the first place

[00:08] <Gonsho> there is some way scums know he had the item

[00:08] <Gonsho> baldy?

[00:08] <Gonsho> rapier?

[00:08] <Gonsho> good gues on other knowers

[00:09] <Gonsho> i do not know

01[00:09] <Shino> Which means someone leaked to scum out of the 4 people(5 if you count rein)

[00:09] <Gonsho> what i know is they fucking knew because they had no other reason to shhot rein

[00:09] <Gonsho> look shinori

01[00:09] <Shino> you would be surprised

01[00:09] <Shino> at some of the dumb stuff

[00:09] <Gonsho> Mafia dont do dumn shit shots

01[00:09] <Shino> mafia members on this site

01[00:09] <Shino> Have done

01[00:09] <Shino> BULL SHIT

01[00:10] <Shino> GO READ SOME OF THE OTHER MAFIAs

01[00:10] <Shino> IT HAPPENS

[00:10] <Gonsho> LET ME FUCKING FINISH TYPING

[00:10] <Gonsho> and when they do

[00:10] <Gonsho> I doupt they hit the one guy

[00:10] <Gonsho> ONE FUCKING GUY

[00:10] <Gonsho> that has the stone

Session Close: Sat Jan 19 00:12:03 2013

Also something to note in this Chat he says Marth talks plenty.

Last I heard people were asking about marth on IRC and if people had heard from him at all recently. I wouldn't really call that talking plenty.

[Shinori]

Actually I don't even know.

I'm still partially biased because I haven't liked Sho this entire game and I've been getting scum reads from him all game.

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

expected/10

speaking of dodging questions jackass, why the fuck would they kill rein if they dont know the bloody item

[Shinori]

I answered that question, with a couple of possible possibilities in that above log.

It took you that long to respond with that?

[Baldrick]

Rapier, that’s actually a very good point about exposing yourself, at least from my point of view, since I think the death of the stone holder means one of those in the know must be mafia. I don’t think such a risk to one of their members is worth the benefit of having the stone (stop town from using it to revive a PR). The best counterpoint I can come up to that with is the wiser heads correctly figured the reaction to its loss would be generally apathetic. Anyway, you’re not the best target anymore, so

##Unvote

It seems I’ll never get over accusations of wagon hopping just because I’m less discriminating with my vote. Never mind that if you discount the joke and pressure vote, I don’t change my vote until late on day 1.

Sho, I didn’t forget I targeted scorri, I figured I could give you what you wanted and still be free to do what I liked, since I hadn’t thought of that angle on BBM and decided it was a good idea. Considering you’ve consistently conned me into spilling my guts while revealing little, if any useful information, I don’t feel bad about withholding that particular detail.

Incidentally, I see my true plan is coming together. Today it’s a daily habit vote, tomorrow it’ll be a policy lynch vote and your conversion to the dark side will be complete.

Scorri, so your vote is because I got your item wrong? There’s only one detail I changed, in a belated attempt to try and not make you such a juicy target in case Sho was scum (now they definitely know what it is). If you’re town, you should realise that if I’m scum and know what your item is, I’d get you killed discreetly instead of telling people about it.

Marth, what contradiction? The only thing I can think of it’s about my claimed actions, if so I’ve covered it earlier in this post, so OK.

Hi Helios, nice of you to show up. I still don’t the see the contradiction by the way. If I had said I hadn’t targeted scorri N0, then I can see the contradiction.

Mancer, please don’t be jealous. Just because I’ve been voting Lucina and Rapier recently, it doesn’t mean you’re not my number one lynch target, now and forever. I promise I’ll lynch you soon.

Lucina, that’s like the fourth wagon you’ve jumped on unironically. I make one RVS-style wagon hop, and I get it constantly used against me.

If Sho’s theory is correct, why wouldn’t I just say I targeted scorri N1? All I’m doing is trashing my credibility, which undermines the entire point of claiming to sho and letting him know my results. His reaction to my N1 result was interesting, as well; he detailed how it basically proved BBM was scum, then went off to gratuitously flip his shit at BBM in IRC, backing off almost immediately. I don’t see what the point of that was, apart from ceding the initiative and putting BBM on guard. I can only conclude it was an act designed to fool me into thinking he was on my side. One thing I know for sure is that I haven’t used my results as well as I should have.

##Vote: Sho

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

@Shinori I answer once I see it

@Baldy

You do not just simply leave such details as YOU TARGETED SCORRI NIGHT 0 unmentioned. It serves you no purpose to lie to me, unless you were scum fishing info out me in the first fucking place. You also don't get the item wrong if the point of targeting scorri i to proof your role. As for the why would you say you targeted scorri night 0 A) WHY DIDNT YOU TELL IT WHEN TOLD TO DO SO, B) If my theory is right and you were just info fishing the component holders. As for the BBM thing...

[03:31] <Balbrick> not to complain but

[03:32] <Balbrick> if you seriously think my report means bbm is scum

[03:32] <Balbrick> we should do something about it sooner rather than later?

[03:32] <KingoftheThievesSho> no

[03:32] <KingoftheThievesSho> he explained it

[03:32] <KingoftheThievesSho> it was legit

[03:33] <KingoftheThievesSho> and it was packed by 2 others

[03:33] <KingoftheThievesSho> either i know 3 scums

[03:33] <KingoftheThievesSho> or bbm is town

[03:33] <Balbrick> ok

[03:34] <Balbrick> as long as you know what you're doing

[03:34] <Balbrick> I have no objections

[03:34] <KingoftheThievesSho> when have i ever not known

[03:34] <KingoftheThievesSho> rein does not count

Long memory you have. I told you why I backed up and you just forget that part. Seems to me you are either scum, have awful memory or are just dumn

[MancerNecro]

You know, I most definitely know I have really awful memory sometimes, especially when I'm multitasking.