Thor Odinson Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) wow um doublepost thanks internet Edited November 26, 2015 by Thor Odinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Morgan - second gen male with best mods? You absolutely must marry Priam...or else. jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Her growth rates are okay I guess but her bases are kinda low compared to most units on my team (who are level 1 promoted units, mind you). Have I screwed lucina up? Don't look at her bases or growths, look at her exp gain. Just give her a map full of kills and she'll be great. Put her in a magical class like GM or DK (I'd advise starting with Tactician) so she can put her Mag to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Maribelle x Libra Miriel x Gregor Panne x Virion Nowi x Henry These are the last four. I think Nowi x Henry will have a Valkyrie Nah, but as for the other three, any good ideas for final classes? I'd usually have Laurent as a Dark Knight but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) I'm having Laurent as a sorcerer for forged aversa's night but I imagine he can work as anything Yarne would be a hit plus 20 berserker. Brady as a Sage. I prefer war monk aesthetically, but it isn't very practical, esp with Libra. You absolutely must marry Priam...or else. jk Ha I'm doing this now. With +spd avatar, Morgan is pretty awesome, even if not optimal. Edited November 27, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Brady as a Sage. I prefer war monk aesthetically, but it isn't very practical, esp with Libra. Yeah I prefer it too. single tear But I guess Sage it is... at least he keeps purple and black outfit iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 That's why I did Henry!Brady, even though it screws up other kids optimization-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'm actually considering using Gregor!Brady as a War Monk for nogrind Lunatic+. Monks may be bad for Apo, but I'm really thinking he might work for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'm actually considering using Gregor!Brady as a War Monk for nogrind Lunatic+. Monks may be bad for Apo, but I'm really thinking he might work for this. Pray tell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Pray tell? [spoiler=Current run for context]On my current Lunatic+ run (which is at Cht.21 right now), I'm trying to modify a quad GF passdown strat into proper full deployment where I train/use as many units as I can field. My original plan going into this was to grab Fred!Owain and Henry!Inigo to be Severa and Morgan's partners, respectively, since neither of them would interfere with Sumia and Cordelia's training to get- Lissa will already have some Fred support from healing and can use him as a pairup for more once she starts fighting in late Plegia, and Olivia and Henry have a fast support growth and can reach S through dancing during the child paralogues and grab Inigo before moving on to Valm. I got a bigger powerspike than I had been expecting upon recruiting the children, though, and before even getting Morgan I wrecked Severa's Paralogue (Lv.3/5 promoted, around where Cht.17 is ingame) and figured I had enough of a lead on the game to try getting Inigo GF, so I held off on getting him to reclass Olivia to DF and get her to 15. Turns out that was a bad idea because she hogged exp Owain needed to get a fast promotion (I passed Discipline and DSp+ and took him Wyvern -> Griffon), so I still don't have Inigo and am pairing Cord and Morgan instead. Having them as a double Galepair is nice, but some kills on Cord's end are a little scary so I'm trying to figure what I'd do with Morgan otherwise. This run I passed Morgan AT and GF and sent her Tact -> GM -> DK. Looking at what she wants for pairup bonuses, +Lck is pretty important- Severa got a huge power spike when Owain promoted thanks to AT getting reliable enough to start freely using Legendaries- and since Morgan gets Ignis early and will always be a mixed attacker, +Str/Mag is nice too. Monk's bonuses cover all this nicely, with some +Res on the side which is useful as Morgan will likely have decent Res already and can become a proper tank with this. The reason I'm looking at Gregor!Brady for the job is because Maribelle, as a staffbot, can be trained and given DSp+ without getting in Sumia/Cord's way (though there's a chance I'd pass Rally Res instead). Gregor can be a prepromote should I get him a Seal, meaning he'll give great pairup bonuses and have decent damage output until stuff starts promoting. Brady will have naturally high Lck as well due to Maribelle's growths, meaning he'll both give a little more a little sooner for Morgan and have a good AT rate himself, assuming I pass it (I might not, if Rally Skl turns out to be a better option- it, along with his Lck and Res and Morgan's Spc could give Lucina/Cynthia a very important boost somewhere). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucina's Husband Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Any other thoughts? Is there any way to make Swordmaster or Assassin Owain good? Considering a playthrough where characters are used in classes where their models are unique (i.e. Chrom as Great Lord, Avatar as Grandmaster, Sumia or Cordelia as Falcon Knights, Emmeryn as Sage, Aversa as Dark Flier: Would there be a set of pairings specifically good for these? Lucina: Great Lord Severa: Bow Knight Brady: War Monk or Sage Noire: Sniper Cynthia: Dark Flier or Falcon Knight (Doesn't matter because neither are unique except for her Pegasus Knight) Inigo: Hero? (Again doesn't matter because only his Mercenary is unique) Yarne: Taguel Nah: Manakete Laurent: Sage or Sorcerer Owain: Assassin or Swordmaster Morgan: Grandmaster Gerome: Wyvern Lord Kjelle: General or Great Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunselpower Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Any other thoughts? Is there any way to make Swordmaster or Assassin Owain good? I guess you could marry Lissa to a +Mag/-Def(or whatever) MaMU and use a Levin Sword. You get a lot of speed and a pretty respectable 41 Mag, swordfaire makes that hit actually pretty hard. It also gives you a pretty robust +7 Mag and +3 speed for Morgan for a nice Grandmaster, while also boosting her luck to where, at max, she can abuse AT with any pairup so you can use the legendary weapons (Same for Ragnell should Owain just want to carry that for the heck of it). The fact that you encounter Lissa immediately and Owain's chapter is pretty easy means you could very easily make him a part of the team as soon as he becomes available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Does anyone know generally what the best pair up class combinations are? I imagine there are a huge variety of things that would work, but is there a consensus in the metagame for what the "most optimal" class pairs are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vascela Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Phys x Phys, Mag x Mag, and Sniper x Mag are the big three cookie cutters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) I thought Sniper only gave an str bonus. So I have Donnel!Kjelle and Stahl!Inigo paired, but since Kjelle has nerfed spd, I'm wondering if Inigo should be a Bow Knight instead of Sniper. I should probably post my whole Apo team for feedback, but I don't know how to list parents, pairs, skills, and classes without making it really difficult to read. Edited November 28, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrophys Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 The idea is using the Sniper from 3 range as a way to bombard with magical dual strikes without risk of enemy counterattack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vascela Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I thought Sniper only gave an str bonus. So I have Donnel!Kjelle and Stahl!Inigo paired, but since Kjelle has nerfed spd, I'm wondering if Inigo should be a Bow Knight instead of Sniper. I should probably post my whole Apo team for feedback, but I don't know how to list parents, pairs, skills, and classes without making it really difficult to read. Just make things concise in lines (don't make things vertical). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) I should probably post my whole Apo team for feedback, but I don't know how to list parents, pairs, skills, and classes without making it really difficult to read. Sumia!Lucina@Sniper (LB/GF/Aether/Luna/DSt+) x +Mag/-Def Avatar-M@Sage (LB/Agg/TF/All+2/filler) That's a pretty good format. Change the X to a + if they're fighting at A and add the weapon after the skills if it's unusual. Kjelle will want a +Spd support if she's a Wyvern and not need one if she's a Paladin or Hero. Inigo's Paladin will be fast enough for her Wyvern if you go that route. Edited November 28, 2015 by Czar_Yoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Alright. Sumia!Lucina@GL (LB/GF/Aether/Luna/DSt+) x (Priam x +spd/-def Avatar)!Morgan@Hero (LB/GF/Agg/Astra/Luna) Gaius!Noire@Sniper (LB/GF/BF/Anathema/Luna) x Henry!Brady@Sage (LB/GF/Agg/TF/Vengeance) Lon'qu!Severa@Hero (LB/GF/SF/AS+2/Vengeance) x Ricken!Owain@DF (LB/GF/Agg/TF/Luna) Donnel!Kjelle@Paladin (LB/GF/AS+2/LF/Luna) x Stahl!Inigo@Sniper (LB/GF/Agg/Armsthrift/Luna) Chrom!Cynthia@Paladin (LB/GF/Aether/Luna/LF) x Virion!Gerome@Warrior (LB/Agg/BF/Hit+20/???) Is 5 pairs enough? If not, I'll have to add Chrom/Sumia and/or Lon'qu/Cordelia. And I'm really hoping Morgan doesn't need a faire so I can run a luxury skill like Astra or Armsthrift. Since he's paired with a DS+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yeah, that'll work. Severa doesn't see any benefit from All+2 beyond a bit more Atk though; you may want to switch it for Deliverer since she's only got 6 Mov. Gerome's last skill should probably be All+2 though. 5 pairs is definitely enough. Morgan will be fine without a Faire in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah25648 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Hi guys, I just want some feedback on the class and pairing of the Shepard's kids. And which of the class distributions do you guys most prefer in hard DLC like Apotheosis? If possible, may I get recommendation on the skill sets for each roles? Thanks. Here's what I have below. **Version 1: Army of Sage Fliers** **Parent Pairings:** Chrom x Sumia Lissa x Henry Sully x Donnel Miriel x Gregor Maribelle x Lon’qu Panne x Virion Cordelia x Stahl Nowi x Vaike Tharja x Gaius Olivia x Libra Cherche x Ricken **Time Traveler Pairings:** *1x Galeforce User* Lucina (Dark Flier) x Robin (Sage)(+Magic, - Defense) Owain (Sage) x Nah (Sage) Noire (Dark Flier) x Laurent (Sage) Kjelle (Dark Flier) x Yarne (Sage) Gerome (Sage) x Severa (Dark Flier) *2x Galeforce Users* Inigo (Sage) x Morgan (Dark Flier) Brady (Sage) x Cynthia (Dark Flier) **Version 2: Mixed Army of Sage Fliers & Hero Berserkers** **Parent Pairings:** Chrom x Sumia Lissa x Ricken Sully x Donnel Miriel x Gregor Maribelle x Virion Panne x Stahl Cordelia x Lon'qu Nowi x Vaike Tharja x Gaius Olivia x Frederick Cherche x Henry **Time Traveler Pairings:** *1x Galeforce User* Lucina (Dark Flier) x Robin (Sage)(+Magic, - Defense) Inigo (Hero) x Nah (Hero) Noire (Dark Flier) x Laurent (Sage) Kjelle (Hero) x Yarne (Berserker) Gerome (Berserker) x Severa (Hero) *2x Galeforce Users* Owain (Sage) x Morgan (Dark Flier) Brady (Sage) x Cynthia (Dark Flier) Edited November 29, 2015 by YTakumiY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Your pairings are really solid but those class sets are gross. You need to use more than one or two different unit combinations or you'll get bored with the map before even finishing your team's inaugural run and all your work grinding the team up will go to waste. Get more Snipers, Paladins, Wyverns, Bow Knights, Warriors, Valkyries, even Assassins etc in there to make things less generic- don't try to make every pair conform to an "optimal" strategy, try to figure out strategies that bring out the best each pair has to offer. Like, take Severa and Gerome in the second set. As is, they're really fast, and can drop quite a lot of Spd without failing to double anything. If you give Severa All+2, you could switch her to Wyvern Lord- a loss of 4 Spd from Hero- and she'll gain a ton of Str and Mov from it with no losses (her Hit will be fine with Gerome's Hex, and she uses Vengeance so she doesn't have to worry about proc rate). Or, if you keep her as a Hero (with All+2), she can't even use a +Spd pairup, so you could give her something much more accurate instead- say, a Warrior (pass Gerome Bowfaire from someone like Stahl and put Henry elsewhere, maybe) or a Sniper for very high DS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bman Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Quick Question: How viable is Darkknight for Gregor!Laurent if I pair him with Sully!Morgan as a Sniper (+Skill/-Luck)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Yeah, that'll work. Severa doesn't see any benefit from All+2 beyond a bit more Atk though; you may want to switch it for Deliverer since she's only got 6 Mov. Gerome's last skill should probably be All+2 though. 5 pairs is definitely enough. Morgan will be fine without a Faire in this case. Alright thanks. I was going to do the Wyvern Lord thing with Severa, but figured it wouldn't mesh that well with a magic user. Quick Question: How viable is Darkknight for Gregor!Laurent if I pair him with Sully!Morgan as a Sniper (+Skill/-Luck)? The only drawback is that DK has crappy pair up bonuses. Edited November 29, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 DK is kinda a equivalent of Paladin, but with Tome and much higher Mag caps imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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