Mitsuki Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 But the existence of a mafia goon would make my role weaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Refa's early posts are here. They lack solid opinions (somehow I typo'd this as sp;od progoma; what) opinions and pretty much agrees with both Prims and BBM on everything, even if said opinions contradict each other (like the early Prims vote). Actually, can you explain how this post was an overreaction because I really don't see it? BBM can do it too I guess. Then he switches off of that case here to vote Kay because he says her treatment of the claimed masons was scummy, when really it isn't. In fact, I'd say scum are more likely to blindly accept it because they know that it's the truth and don't want to look scummy for attacking someone who was wound to end up clear at some point unless they shot themselves in the foot. That makes me think that the line of thinking came from paranoid town rather than scum. At worst, it's a null tell, so I don't like how this is your only real opinion up to this point (aside from a shaky scumread on Prims you took from BBM) and honestly it's a really easy point to press. Especially when the only other thing you said about Kay was that you wondered why she wasn't voting a scumread. Following that he posts a bunch of short posts that don't really give any reads that I can't be bothered to link and then he produces a kirsche read right before phase end to pretty much save himself from being lynched and that's really all he contributed to phase end. After that, we come to his next reads post. Looking at his scumreads, Kay is the only one. Even his Prims opinion changed. And as far as I can tell from this post, it's remained that way. tl;dr Refa is coasting hard.I think the posts are out of order at points but I need to do things and I'm not gonna fix them. It should still be understandable, at any rate. @Mitsuki, that would make the mafia weaker against pretty much every other role in the game though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuki Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yesterday I said I wanted to ask something to Blitz but I found the answer by myself. Also, if someone could bring up the meta I requested about how Refa plays by the end of the day I'd be grateful. And now, players who I think are scum: Kay: It's scummy how she didn't want me lynched but had no read on me, or at least didn't try to out her read on me, which would actually be worse. I get that she might not want to make cases on me like I was a veteran player, but that's different from not wanting me lynched. She was fine with lynching me when I hadn't done much stuff and I was neutral to her back then, so I don't think such a consideration would interfere. SB: Even after knowing he's roleless I suspect him, I think there still could exist a mafia goon in this setup. I don't think his first post D2 on Refa is valid, as I pointed out. It looks like SB decided to interpret Refa's actions as definitely scummy while ignoring that some points weren't true or there were alternate explanations. I also don't get why town would comment nothing in light of what happened around deadline while placing their new vote. His vote was on me on the deadline, I wasn't lynched and some players townreaded me but that doesn't make my alignment obvious. It reads as he's leaving options to vote open depending on how things turn out. His reaction to me saying that I thought he was scum was also bad, he didn't choose to explain why my result made him townier from his point of view but overreacted instead. It's the kind of thing I'd expect someone who doesn't want me to express my opinion to do, and only scum would be concerned like that. It also seems opportunistic to have such a complete Refa case all of a sudden while bringing up points that he could have made at the time but ignored them. He also did that before with his case on me. ##Vote: SB SB > Kay. Now I should actually consider people's cases on both Refa and Kay in depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDRHAWK Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The "lol, it's too early for this shit" Votals Refa (2): SB, Blitz SB (1): Mitsuki Kay (1): Refa Voteless Maggots (3): Proto, Prims, Kay With 7 players alive, it will require 4 votes to hammer, with a no-lynch occurring otherwise. Reminder that deadline is still at 1pm EST/11am MST on Saturday, February 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Still seeking a sub for Railgun (Proto) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Willing to sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDRHAWK Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Willing to sub. Again, I'd prefer not to sub in dead players fuck it Baldrick has been subbed in for Proto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 waiting for somebody to put refa at l-1 so i can quickhammer him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 ##Unvote ##Vote: Prims Yeah, no. You can't do basically fuckall this phase and come out with a statement like that (might as well be claiming scum) and expect everything to be kosher. Refa's early posts are here. They lack solid opinions (somehow I typo'd this as sp;od progoma; what) opinions and pretty much agrees with both Prims and BBM on everything, even if said opinions contradict each other (like the early Prims vote). Actually, can you explain how this post was an overreaction because I really don't see it? BBM can do it too I guess. It's an overreaction because he's attacking BBM and saying "you could've just simplified your attack on me, apparently that's what townies do, make simple attacks" when the same applies to Prims' statement as well. Also BBM is dead. RTFOP. Then he switches off of that case here to vote Kay because he says her treatment of the claimed masons was scummy, when really it isn't. In fact, I'd say scum are more likely to blindly accept it because they know that it's the truth and don't want to look scummy for attacking someone who was wound to end up clear at some point unless they shot themselves in the foot. That makes me think that the line of thinking came from paranoid town rather than scum. At worst, it's a null tell, so I don't like how this is your only real opinion up to this point (aside from a shaky scumread on Prims you took from BBM) and honestly it's a really easy point to press. Especially when the only other thing you said about Kay was that you wondered why she wasn't voting a scumread. Wrong, I said more about Kay, it's in my first reply to her. Sounds like you're just reading my vote post and not considering that hey, maybe this Refa guy actually had reasons for voting someone. Following that he posts a bunch of short posts that don't really give any reads that I can't be bothered to link and then he produces a kirsche read right before phase end to pretty much save himself from being lynched and that's really all he contributed to phase end. After that, we come to his next reads post. Looking at his scumreads, Kay is the only one. Even his Prims opinion changed. And as far as I can tell from this post, it's remained that way. tl;dr Refa is coasting hard.I think the posts are out of order at points but I need to do things and I'm not gonna fix them. It should still be understandable, at any rate. @Mitsuki, that would make the mafia weaker against pretty much every other role in the game though. I could've just voted kirsche and said "him over me", so me coming up with a read and deliberately tying myself to a lynch (which if I were scum, I would know was a mislynch) seems like pretty awful scum play actually. And I'm perfect. So I'm scummy for having a low amount of scumreads. In a game. With like 2-3 scum. Yeah, OK, nice logic there, cap'n. tl,dr; SB is misrepping hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Gonna ISO Prims, that last comment is just so bad to me, but I want to make sure there's actually scum intent previously and not just bias because he mentioned lynching me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Actually, does SB have an opinion on anyone other than me and Mitsuki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 QUADRUPLE POSTING FIGHT ME Lynch priority atm is Prims > Kay > SB, subject to change impending Prims' ISO read. I really should get around to doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 how is offering to hammer a mafia-aligned player scummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Simmer down, kids. I'm trying to get a post out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 how is offering to hammer a mafia-aligned player scummy i didn't see anyone offering to do that in this game. perhaps you could point me to where this occured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 how do you explain your choice of target last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 i didn't target anyone yesterday, or rather i couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 hmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Right now I think Refa dropping his effortcase on Kay because I made one post as a joke is an unrealistic reaction but I guess I will have to actually read the thread............... ~_____________~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Also I don't like how Blitz's D2 opener doesn't really say anything at all. There are words in it and whatever but none of them explain why a dude is scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I had to take a break. I hate mafia etc etc. It's coming. How is the game going WRT claims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The way Mitsuki handled her role is awful. "Oh I'm going to target SB tonight by the way" good job now he knows to idle if he's scum, which means you conveniently don't have to factor your result in when building a case on him today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 How is the game going WRT claims?im town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 i have read the thread and the scumteam is: Refa/Mitsuki ##Unvote ##Vote: Mitsuki probably a good post baldrick can you vote refa so i can Test something involving my role, you can unvote him when i confirm im done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Why should I do that? I mean, I know you're town, but can you give me another reason? good thing I'm confirmed town, or all these non-content posts might be suspicious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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