Baldrick Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 @euklyd; I'm all for that; unless we want to aim for SK, I think we should choose kirsche, from PoE. Rereading him and eclipse, I think kirsche's interaction with mancer is worse than eclipse's interaction with shinori. @SB I revive by posting in-thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 lmao the wifom thing was a joke (mostly)now I have to roll with itI am okay with targeting kirsche I feel like Eury is more likely ITP than maf, but otoh Junk's posts improving D1 mean he might've been coached? idek and it's 3:30amGorf is the other possibility besides eclipse/eury/kirsche, imo, assuming we lynch J ...which I'm honestly not sure about, but idk how much of that is because of the way the wagon on him sprung up todayI would say "hey prims plz modkill J" but in MyLo that's a kinda questionable suggestion What's an Inquisitor? something like this, probably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 If they're both scum, we only have the horribly nerfed colourblind cop and the librarian (which didn't seem to do ANYTHING past night 0? thanks bear) as opposed to CY'OR1 where there was less scum, and we had a tracker, rolecop and librarian. Well, if bear wasn't bad and keeping in mind that loudmouth does stuff for town as a scum role and that J's role is essentially town-controlled tracker/watcher/roleblocker so J's alignment itself doesn't really come into that. There's definitely games with worse, heck, comparing with CyoR 1, rolecop isn't particularly great. I reread a bit and noticed that kirsche's Mancer interactions are kind of horrible? His ED1 is basically him dismissing Mancer on the grounds of "it's Mancer", and then he constantly has the dude as second or third priority but never really makes a solid push or unique point on him, it's just kind of there? His case on BBM seemed kind of defensive of Shinori too which is kind of irk. Meh, Mancer has been #2 for me most of the game mostly due to me sheeping other people's cases, I was planning on rereading him D3, along with BBM, but then he died. Before that general Mancer meta, posts like #580 and the fact that Shin was obvscum getting away with his shit made me put off the ISO. I stand by my logic in my BBM case, it just turns out that I was wrong and that BBM was right. Can you deny that that kind of response isn't Shinori standard? kirsche - What do you mean, no reads, they're in my ISO (along with WHY I was willing to vote for you). The only unexpected thing was me being gone for the rest of that day phase. If you can't figure out my logic, quote it and tell me what you don't like/understand. This doesn't really answer my criticisms at all. Your reads aren't in your ISO enough as you don't talk about them enough and so people want to know what your reads are in the current game state. Also, I asked if you thought I was scummy when you voted me because you never made that distinction clear, and if so, answer my questions in my previous posts please. I honestly feel like you are not reading my posts on purpose at this point, it's obvious that you didn't see me say how my vote is essentially on you but I'm holding back because of mylo. I'm pretty sure my opinions on people are pretty clear but if not: J > eclipse > Gorf > Baldrick >> Dormio > Junkykins > SB = Euklyd >> Me Euklyd goes up because of SB's prims spec. Dormio might be godfather but being doc target on a nokill night is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 kirsche's recent post really irks me? It feels like he isn't really making an attempt to step back and reevaluate his opinions and is more using his post to justify his park more than anything else - especially when J and Gorf being scum together means that scum has like... three variants of watcher. And rolecop was still a very good role in CY'OR1 since I could catch 3/4 scum with it and Prims even put in Grassbridger's role specifically to nerf the thing, even if there were a bunch of townies I wasn't able to clear with it, I'd still take it over BBM's dumb colourblind cop variant. And the response really wasn't Shinori standard to me, like I said at the time (or at least I think I did?) it read like someone immitating Shinori and doing a bad job of it. Going to reread some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 J is still probably scum for not showing up to MYLO though despite being around and having been seen reading the thread so uh, yeah. I wouldn't lynch kirsche today since J is worse, but he should definitely be considered tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurykins Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 also eury should explain why she gave a will to baldrick over the claimed cop See below: Tl;dr: I'd rather give another person whom I'm leaning townish on => a chance to speak again/give more input, vs. hitting someone I felt was scum and having them use it to their own gains. Honestly, until BBM himself flipped, I didn't trust him at all; the way he played, and the logic/reasoning behind his targets seemed off to me, and the one person he "confirmed" as scum was someone that scum themselves easily backed up the lynch for (tl;dr: really easy pickings). Ergo, I didn't feel as though he merited a will from me. Also, I'm skeptical at the Poly/Baldrick slot currently and wasn't sure what to make of them fully (and the night I sent Poly/Baldrick slot the will, BBM died, so the timing also kinda wonked out there), so his will I sent out with a grain of salt, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 @Eury if you are trying to target townreads with your will-giving and you're skeptical of my slot, why did you target me? You could have targeted BBM with a boulder of salt, and your role is best used on someone likely to be NKed at some point (no matter how suspicious you were, he was still a claimed cop who had found a guilty, and I didn't think BBM would die that night because of Randa and there being a flipped strongman) so they can give their last reads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 I don't really see why the will stuff is being discussed unless you guys think that it's relevant to Eury's alignment? Eury should give reads though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trump Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 ##vote j because inactive in mylo is a pretty tall tale sign also #yolo on the not-knowing-the-votecount-scenario but if j's town it's like c'mon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 @Eury if you are trying to target townreads with your will-giving and you're skeptical of my slot, why did you target me? You could have targeted BBM with a boulder of salt, and your role is best used on someone likely to be NKed at some point (no matter how suspicious you were, he was still a claimed cop who had found a guilty, and I didn't think BBM would die that night because of Randa and there being a flipped strongman) so they can give their last reads. wait when did we get a flipped strongman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Would you like to see the strongman flip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 MODERATORS PLS FIX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randa Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 im not saying we didn't i am merely wondering who flipped strongman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Shinori. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The first post has all the flips. ;/ No Baldrick, that formatting error will stay until SF melts down~! @euklyd; I'm all for that; unless we want to aim for SK, I think we should choose kirsche, from PoE. Rereading him and eclipse, I think kirsche's interaction with mancer is worse than eclipse's interaction with shinori. @SB I revive by posting in-thread. What about my interactions with Mancer and kirsche's interactions with Shinori? kirsche - You substantiate "not enough" with quotes, as well as WHY you don't think it's enough. I wasn't sure what to think of you when I initially voted you, but the more you try to justify me being scum, the worse you get in my eyes. It's one thing to try to get a lynch onto me (don't really care about that, it's better than trying to be background noise), but I think the logic your using is lazy, and at this point, lazy logic is scummy. I've been giving reads all through the game, for one. Where's my vote? Reread the last paragraph. You quoted it, so I know you didn't miss the post outright. "Many questions?" Quote them. All of them. Because I'm pretty sure I got to most, if not all of them. If you had a problem with it, I didn't see it posted. You don't seem to care for my style of finding scum. Deal with it, since you're using something very similar to drive a case onto me. I see J posting elsewhere, but not here - he's either throwing the game as town or is scum. Since I like to think the best of people, I'm going with the scum option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 @eclipse: Reading your ISO from D4 onwards, my idea of what your reads are. Correct me if I've got it wrong. Everyone (apart from me, I assume) is meh Reads on me/kirsche, want more activity from the rest You feel better about me, same about kirsche, townreading/can't read everyone else Your euklyd read drastically depends on his claim. The other posts I don't get any reads from. Neither me nor kirsche had much support for the lynch, and I feel you're not very vocal about other people's cases you do like and would sheep. While I don't expect you to have reads on everyone (for one thing, I don't), I think you weren't doing very much to help people know where you stood on the lynch targets for D4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 ebwop: Now that I think about it, you did say you were opposed to inactive lynches unless through PoE, but that's more of a policy than a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 @eclipse: Reading your ISO from D4 onwards, my idea of what your reads are. Correct me if I've got it wrong. Everyone (apart from me, I assume) is meh Reads on me/kirsche, want more activity from the rest You feel better about me, same about kirsche, townreading/can't read everyone else Your euklyd read drastically depends on his claim. The other posts I don't get any reads from. Neither me nor kirsche had much support for the lynch, and I feel you're not very vocal about other people's cases you do like and would sheep. While I don't expect you to have reads on everyone (for one thing, I don't), I think you weren't doing very much to help people know where you stood on the lynch targets for D4. In order: - There's a read on Mitsuki in there - Take a look at how much activity was between those two posts. The three posts by SB don't scream scum, there's a modpost, there's a post by you (which I got to), there's a post by kirsche (which I also got to), there's a Euklyd post that I wanted him to expand on, and then there's a single post by J which is also null. Not much had changed between those two posts, so my reads aren't going to drastically shift. - Those are reads, what's the problem? - Read the post directly above that one. How many other cases were there to sheep at this point? How much activity is there? Was there a time period where I completely disappeared during D4? Context is very important, and I feel like you've completely missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I've already given my thoughts about J, and his lack of activity. Again, context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trump Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 so @everybody when j flips scum who are we lynching? me is not an appropriate answer because 1) im town and 2) im sure the only thing you have on larsa is that his activity went to nothing cuz when hes town he tends to be very very obviously town, and not having a scum read outside of j (this is me telling you that an unsubstantiated read on my slot isn't actually a scum read) is room for concern. i will be annoying and consistent about this as i feel it necessary for everybody to have this up here before the Day ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 - A townread isn't of much use to the lynch. - I didn't have a problem with non-changing reads - Mostly townreads apart from kirsche (and maybe me? idk where you stand on me there) - I don't know what you think of euklyd How many other cases were there to sheep at this point? How much activity is there? Was there a time period where I completely disappeared during D4? Not that much, I'll admit. The Mitsuki cases, Dormio's case on SB, my case on euklyd. That's no excuse for not commenting on what is there. The last 24 hours of the phase. @gorf; well, naturally I don't want to lynch me, and you are correct in saying I'm town. I don't know why you're talking about larsa there though, that's a different slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trump Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 you misunderstood -i need everybody to weigh in on who they want to lynch after we lynch j and he flips scum -i replaced larsa, and larsa was replaced cuz he went inactive. unless there is a reason to want to lynch him, i am off the table because lynching inactives post potential mylo is kinda dumb -this is being done because everybody should be held accountable for their projected next move and why they're making that move before the Day ends. -i need it to not be cluttered with responses and questions, because who your scum read(s) is/are and why is important information to keep flowing. the fact that i can't quite tell and i've been reading from since i replaced in is not a good sign. sb will never get lynched cuz reviver. randa cuz lol confirm'd doc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trump Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 when i said "me is not an appropriate answer" i meant me, as in gorf. and i have confidence that larsa's play was obvtown like it usually always is when he's town, which is why i'd be surprised if anybody has a non-activity related reason as to why i should get the noose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 - A townread isn't of much use to the lynch. - I didn't have a problem with non-changing reads - Mostly townreads apart from kirsche (and maybe me? idk where you stand on me there) - I don't know what you think of euklyd Not that much, I'll admit. The Mitsuki cases, Dormio's case on SB, my case on euklyd. That's no excuse for not commenting on what is there. The last 24 hours of the phase. @gorf; well, naturally I don't want to lynch me, and you are correct in saying I'm town. I don't know why you're talking about larsa there though, that's a different slot. - One less person to lynch, which is better than no reads. - Then don't cite that as a reason why my reads aren't good - That contradicts what you said about a lack of reads. - READ THE POST ABOVE IT. The fact that you're harping on it is really, REALLY scummy, because I get the feeling that you've shifted from not taking context into account to outright ignoring it to support yourself. Now, for the next set. - So, if I had Mitsuki and SB down as town reads, and I wanted more information from Euklyd so I could get a better read, what is the logical conclusion to draw from this, given that SB wasn't in danger of being lynched? - See above - This was my last post on D4. This is when the phase ended. That's not a 24-hour gap - that's over half the phase. I'm getting really tired of answering this kind of nonsense. --- Larsa's play was nonexistent. I'm going to skip the posts that yield no associative reads. J's ISO is about as helpful as reading Prims' modposts. The only read I get is an uncomfortable buddy vibe on myself. Mitsuki had a few bits of interesting content. First off, she suspected me/Shin based on a Dormio read (and her case on me was pretty far off-base), Mancer for a couple of things, and Randa because of whatever kirsche said. She's got a defense on BBM, and furthers her reads on the people I mentioned in the last sentence, sans kirsche. After that, she drops everyone not named Randa, then says that she understands Junko's case against Shin without really explaining why. There's a claim, and then there's a bunch of stuff on Dormio, which boils down to a null read. This post feels like a soft defense of Junko, then there's the votal post with a null read on Marth/Shin. Then her Shin read goes towards the scum side, but her vote stays on Randa. She makes another comment about Dormio before D1 ends. Crap. I missed this. Gigantic scumtell right here - if you suddenly find setup info as a night result, there's no reason to sit on it. Seriously, Bear, the hell was going through your head when you targeted people? There's also a vote on SB because of a Mancer read. She keeps pushing SB over Mancer. Now, knowing that Shin was self-aligned, Randa, Marth and BBM were town, and Mancer was scum, the associative reads I get from this are that SB is probably town, and that I should keep an eye on Dormio/Eury. Shinori had very little in terms of content (again, an uncomfortable buddy vibe on me, and a sentiment that Dormio is scum), and ISOing Mancer is something that everyone here will have to pay me to do. I had some rageposts about it in D1, and I'd rather not raise my blood pressure again. Of the remaining people, there's me, one with literally nothing to go off of (Gorf), two that I'm townreading pretty strongly (SB and Euklyd), one that's cleared by the cop but needs to post more (Dormio), one who I should trust on role alone but am ever-so-slightly uneasy about and this is mostly due to a lack of recent content (Eurykins), and two people who seem to be tied pretty tightly together (kirsche and Baldrick). I'd consider lynching someone in the last group, because I do not appreciate the way the cases on me are done. Oh, and Gorf, what are YOUR thoughts regarding tomorrow's lynch? It's peachy to want opinions, but you should share some of your own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trump Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 i've already mentioned that i haven't, and likely won't, be rereading the game. i'm a terrible replacement and prims got me on a pinch. from what i've read kirche seems pretty chillin and sb seems all but confirmed, if not for the sole fact that he has a revival, for the fact that he revived the doctor. it's hard to get a feel for alignments when everything is a back-and-forth on previously established things, which is why i'm trying to make my own branches. but thanks for making me explain myself. now, please answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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