Mekkah Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I like the storyline of the Tellius games, but after going through Radiant Dawn and pretty much every other FE out there Path of Radiance seems so poorly made. I'm not completely done with PoR yet (Ch19 is the furthest I've been) but man... You get too many resources. I feel like it hardly matters what characters I pick because I get to distribute a gazillion levels of BEXP every chapter, so I just pick the ones with the highest move. Atk issues are solved by getting a new max Mt forge every chapter, which is possible because you get 20,000G in addition to various Gems (2 Red, 1 Blue and 1 White, all before Ch16). AS issues are solved by every enemy being super slow. The enemies suck. They are kind of bulky at times but after earlygame they do so little damage. The promoted ones are sometimes weaker than the unpromoted ones. Why... Ike is such a drag. He starts in such a deep hole damage-output wise and even when he's grown out of it he doesn't have 1-2 range. Combined with his lord status he's an enemy magnet so I'm actually better off not putting him in range of, well, anything. Also, too many good mounted units. I really don't know why this game was ever worth debating about to anyone. You can do pretty much whatever you want with most of the cast. On the plus side, the support system is so much better than anything that requires idling next to each other, and again I think the story is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 FE9 (without maniac mode) is the easiest part in the series. The stats of promoted enemies are indeed worse than first tier enemies (probably prepromtion with masterseal). However same as in FE7 and 8. Ike and some other units can easily do a solo run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magical Glace Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 If you want a challenge, just play FE6 Hard or FE13 Lunatic +. FE9 really isn't a good place to look. That said... I just blaze through with Rolf and be done. He's the only real reason I play it at all these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 FE9's nicely presented, but I do agree that the game as a whole isn't particularly difficult. You do get a lot of stuff, a lot of BEXP to pass around, and the enemies are fairly weenie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ownagepuffs Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) I remember starting the game on HM just to get a feel for it. I was fairly shocked to see that base level Oscar doubles the prologue enemies. Heck Ike was doubling them too. I tried to have Titania play the chip role but she one rounded everything including the boss >_>. I haven't picked it up since because I decided to finish up some other FE runs first. From the sound of this thread it doesn't look like it gets any harder. Edited January 4, 2015 by Ownagepuffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonLord Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I started a PoR playthrough last August, and I reached Chapter 11 and got kind of bored so I haven't played since. It was probably the low difficulty that turned me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted35362 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 easy games are all tedious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Yeah, people are always commenting on how Sacred Stones is easy, but for me PoR manages to be even easier. I bet Maniac Mode could fix at least part of that. If only it had been on the western versions on the game Edited January 4, 2015 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricaofRenais Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 PoR is the FE I speed run for fun because even if I make a mistake I probably won't die, plus it takes the least time for me to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Now I really want to get POR! I prefer my games easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm on normal right now to me the challenge is recruiting some of the characters *cough* Astrid *cough*. As for BEXP maybe I'm doing something wrong because at most I get like 200 BEXP points per chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Oh, I forgot to mention the unskippable map animations. Combined with the Dolphin lag some enemy phases are just unbearable. edit: Astrid can be 100% recruited on turn 1 by Shoving Ike one square right, and then Smiting him up with Mordecai. You can see how much BEXP you get here: http://serenesforest.net/path-of-radiance/miscellaneous/bonus-exp/ Edited January 4, 2015 by Mekkah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 How dare you, Path of Radiance is GOAT..! Maniac Mode is a lot of fun though, because it does limit your resources and enemies can kill you if they gang up on you. While the units are completely OP in hard mode, in Maniac mode they look quite mortal - even Titania can be killed in one turn if you put her on an island in some of the early game chapters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 maniac mode is stupid. enemy durability is through the roof but they're still not even all that strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Oh, I forgot to mention the unskippable map animations. Combined with the Dolphin lag some enemy phases are just unbearable. edit: Astrid can be 100% recruited on turn 1 by Shoving Ike one square right, and then Smiting him up with Mordecai. You can see how much BEXP you get here: http://serenesforest.net/path-of-radiance/miscellaneous/bonus-exp/ Yeah i figured that out after like 4 tries haha. But then there are really obsucure ones like talking to Shinon with Rolf then killing him with Ike. Who would even guess that the first or second time through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) you can make this game more difficult by forcing yourself to only use rolf and mist E: (come to think of it the only legitimately difficult part would be their joining chapter; after that you just bexp stuff them and win.) (it would also probably be even more tedious, but then you can go do other things while enemy phases play!) Edited January 6, 2015 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) PoR has such a well-written story and characters but is basically unplayable because it manages to be twice as easy than the next-easiest entry in the series At no point is there challenge even if you go fast and even if you go for all of the meagre secondary objectives You can spend however much money you want you can make anyone instantly godlike it's basically FE on gameshark Actually I take it back Shinon's recruitment is pretty stupid and unintuitive but is that really difficulty or is that just stupidity Edited January 6, 2015 by General Banzai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 i know its not that hard, but i love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentacotus Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Actually I take it back Shinon's recruitment is pretty stupid and unintuitive but is that really difficulty or is that just stupidity Nah its just absurd. I liken it to Castlevania II's kneel by a cliff with a red crystal to get warped by a tornado kinda thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHjkjhlV5Xg&spfreload=10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Nah its just absurd. I liken it to Castlevania II's kneel by a cliff with a red crystal to get warped by a tornado kinda thing. Honestly, there is nothing absurd about Shinon's recruitment. Shinon liked Rolf enough to teach him, so having Rolf talk to him might be a good reminder for him of why sticking with the Greil Mercenaries might have it's upsides over the tempting career advancement opportunities in the Daein army. Also, the reason that Shinon left the mercs is because he has absolutely no respect for Ike and doesn't want to work under him. So having Ike prove himself as Shinon's equal by beating him could have a chance to change his mind. It's just that there is nothing that indicates that you have to do both of these things since either one doesn't net any results or provide a hint that something else is missing. And if you actually do perform both steps, the game doesn't confirm that killing Shinon actually recruited him before the very end of the chapter. Which means that you will probably assume you really did kill him and consequently restart the map in order to try something else. Edited January 6, 2015 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) at no point before shinon rejoins does rolf mention having been taught by shinon Edited January 6, 2015 by CT075 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 at no point before shinon rejoins does rolf mention having been taught by shinon However, it is very suspicious that Rolf vehemently refused to say who taught him, even when his brothers called out his obvious lie about having taught himself, saying that there is no way someone could use a weapon without having someone to teach one the basics. And considering the fact that there is only one bow user in the mercs, it's possible to figure out who that mystery-teacher was. I'm not saying it's easy to figure out. Especially given that so much stuff happens and this scene was a long time ago. But you can't compare it to the Castlevania tornado since there is actual logic behind Shinon's recruitment. Even if said logic might have been insufficiently communicated. But more importantly, the menus actually tell you who can talk with an NPC. Having Rhys speak to Shinon won't do anything but having Mist speak to him hints that Rolf is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 If the problem is BEXP, just make a challenge no-BEXP run. Challenge runs solve everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I'm pretty sure a Titania+Ike solo is possible in HM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Doing a challenge run doesn't solve the slow battle animations and the unlimited gold supply. All you can do is make this game take longer to complete but you can't actually make it challenging. Although I do think getting all treasure and max BEXP on the desert map would be very difficult. I was already rather frustrated with just getting the worthwhile treasure and near-max BEXP (couldn't get it within 7 turns), and I was using promoted Jill + promoted Marcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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