property of nuvelle Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 So, about Spoiler Zacharias being Bruno, the Askr Trio must be idiots if they don't know who their close friend is behind a tiny mask, unless he somehow magically changes into a completely different person when the mask comes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, KongDude said: So, about Hide contents Zacharias being Bruno, the Askr Trio must be idiots if they don't know who their close friend is behind a tiny mask, unless he somehow magically changes into a completely different person when the mask comes off. Spoiler Masks in anime-style media seem to always have that property when the wearer is trying to hide their identity and their identity is not supposed to be blatantly obvious to the audience. It's literally everywhere. But, yeah. That doesn't make it any less dumb. The few times where in-story characters actually recognize people wearing masks are typically when it's played for laughs (e.g. the character is trying super hard to hide their identity, but makes accidental slips every two words and the other characters are purposefully playing along) or when it's not supposed to hide their identity in the first place (e.g. a masquerade ball of politicians where everyone is supposed to be recognizable to everyone else, but the masks are there so that they don't have to admit they met people they probably shouldn't have). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent shifter Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 32 minutes ago, KongDude said: So, about Reveal hidden contents Zacharias being Bruno, the Askr Trio must be idiots if they don't know who their close friend is behind a tiny mask, unless he somehow magically changes into a completely different person when the mask comes off. Spoiler Its like Ash in Pokemon not being able to reconise Team Rocket even if they did not cover their face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Ahahahahaha. I just realized everyone everywhere always ranks Leo near the very bottom of the tier list. Leo. Red. Mage. Cavalry. Ahahahahaha. As if I needed more reasons to not look at tier lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, DehNutCase said: Ahahahahaha. I just realized everyone everywhere always ranks Leo near the very bottom of the tier list. Leo. Red. Mage. Cavalry. Ahahahahaha. As if I needed more reasons to not look at tier lists. Gamepedia's tier list, at the least, ranks units without buffs. Leo is pretty damned terrible if he doesn't have access to buffs, but ranking units without buffs is dumb to begin with. I don't know how other tier lists come up with their rankings, but I really wouldn't trust this game's community to be good at it to begin with. Other games, like Pokémon and fighting games in general, have competitive communities that actually know the ins and outs of their games' mechanics and much larger sample sizes for realistic match-up data (not to mention unlimited access to all characters). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 48 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: Gamepedia's tier list, at the least, ranks units without buffs. Leo is pretty damned terrible if he doesn't have access to buffs, but ranking units without buffs is dumb to begin with. I don't know how other tier lists come up with their rankings, but I really wouldn't trust this game's community to be good at it to begin with. Other games, like Pokémon and fighting games in general, have competitive communities that actually know the ins and outs of their games' mechanics and much larger sample sizes for realistic match-up data (not to mention unlimited access to all characters). Even Pokemon and Fighting Games need like months to actually comes up with accurate tier lists. It took like 2 years or something for Tangrowth and Amoongus to stay in OU Regarding the whole mask thing, funny enough the effectiveness of Mask Disguise in FE is pretty low FE15 MK is excused through him not meeting Cellica for like ten years That FE7 meme is a camouflage instead of a mask and its proven uneffective Sirius only met 3 person: Ogma - have no business knowing who he is Vergil - Literally knows who Sirius is from the get go Nyna - Sirius disguise is so bad, a girl who just recently being cured of dark dragon hypnosis art(tm) is able to recognize him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Other people who wear masks (from memory): Zelgius: It takes some time, but Ranulf sees through it as soon as he meets the unmasked version. Lucina: She's copying a person who doesn't even exist until she breaks cover. Azura: Only wears the 'mask' (veil) for one scene, and somehow squeaks by. I feel like, apart from them and Sirius (and Conrad), there's someone I've missed... but I've no idea who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, phineas81707 said: Other people who wear masks (from memory): Zelgius: It takes some time, but Ranulf sees through it as soon as he meets the unmasked version. Lucina: She's copying a person who doesn't even exist until she breaks cover. Azura: Only wears the 'mask' (veil) for one scene, and somehow squeaks by. I feel like, apart from them and Sirius (and Conrad), there's someone I've missed... but I've no idea who. Gerome does, though his is surprisingly effective. Legion wears one, but I'm not sure if I want to know what's under there. And then there's Percy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartozio Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 31 minutes ago, phineas81707 said: Other people who wear masks (from memory): Zelgius: It takes some time, but Ranulf sees through it as soon as he meets the unmasked version. Lucina: She's copying a person who doesn't even exist until she breaks cover. Azura: Only wears the 'mask' (veil) for one scene, and somehow squeaks by. I feel like, apart from them and Sirius (and Conrad), there's someone I've missed... but I've no idea who. To be fair: Zelgius: is not wearing just a mask, his disguise working for a while shouldn't be that strange if he's careful about his voice (although Greil saw through it immediatly). Lucina: There shouldn't be anyone able to recognice her anyway, even if she wasn't wearing a mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bartozio said: To be fair: Zelgius: is not wearing just a mask, his disguise working for a while shouldn't be that strange if he's careful about his voice (although Greil saw through it immediatly). Lucina: There shouldn't be anyone able to recognice her anyway, even if she wasn't wearing a mask. In Path of Radiance, the Black Knight has a very soft voice (Greil's Death). In Radiant Dawn, Zelgius has a much deeper one (The River Crossing). I think an attempt was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, phineas81707 said: In Path of Radiance, the Black Knight has a very soft voice (Greil's Death). In Radiant Dawn, Zelgius has a much deeper one (The River Crossing). I think an attempt was made. A ridiculous contrast with Azura who doesn't. fucking. bother. at all The only thing closest to "disguise" in that scene is how energetic the dance are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 39 minutes ago, JSND said: A ridiculous contrast with Azura who doesn't. fucking. bother. at all Theonly thing closest to "disguise" in that scene is how energetic the dance are I still want a Fates-themed tempest so that we can get that veiled Azura. I’m not as keen on the maps themselves though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: I still want a Fates-themed tempest so that we can get that veiled Azura. I’m not as keen on the maps themselves though. What do you imagine her skills would be? Definitely not keen on having more Fates characters though. I personally didn't like them much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Catria! said: What do you imagine her skills would be? Definitely not keen on having more Fates characters though. I personally didn't like them much At the very least, Sing and some lance. Tobin got the whole set, so why can’t she get the whole set either. I’m fine with anything. They added half of the Gaiden/E:SoV cast recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilas Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) Really want Conrad to form a mask theme team now It would be a dream if Veiled Azura has Lance Valour. Will make SP grinding easier, especially since Summer Robin is a limited time unit. Speaking of disguises- a very obscure one is Ryoma being disguised as a Nohr Knight when you meet Scarlet in Birthright. Lance Knight Ryoma for being the fastest Knight? Edited July 14, 2017 by mcsilas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, mcsilas said: Really want Conrad to form a mask theme team now It would be a dream if Veiled Azura ha Lance Valour. Will make SP grinding easier, especially since Summer Robin is a limited time unit. Speaking f disguises- a very obscure one is Ryoma being disguised as a Nohr Knight when you meet Scarlet in Birthright. Lance Knight Ryoma for being the fastest Knight? Doga is the fastest knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, mcsilas said: Really want Conrad to form a mask theme team now It would be a dream if Veiled Azura ha Lance Valour. Will make SP grinding easier, especially since Summer Robin is a limited time unit. Speaking f disguises- a very obscure one is Ryoma being disguised as a Nohr Knight when you meet Scarlet in Birthright. Lance Knight Ryoma for being the fastest Knight? Depending on the rest of his stats and new skills, he might put Effie out of business. Brave Lance Effie is scary enough, but a Quad Effie is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessence Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Am I the only one smelling a future Bruno GHB? I think once his identity and motives are uncovered he might end up being recruitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Quintessence said: Am I the only one smelling a future Bruno GHB? I think once his identity and motives are uncovered he might end up being recruitable. If Spoiler he winds up being Zacharias, Veronica might throw a bit of a temper tantrum that he's not her big brother, and considering now she has a shapeshifter that can do Bruno's job, she might be able to fire him. Overcome with madness, we might be able to defeat him and convert him to our cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, Quintessence said: Am I the only one smelling a future Bruno GHB? I think once his identity and motives are uncovered he might end up being recruitable. I think both Bruno and Veronica will somehow end up being recruitable eventually, but as Heroes original characters, I think they'll be handled somehow different, probably one-ofs like the Askt trio but through later story chapters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Othin said: I think both Bruno and Veronica will somehow end up being recruitable eventually, but as Heroes original characters, I think they'll be handled somehow different, probably one-ofs like the Askt trio but through later story chapters. Free Reinhardt counter? (Because the best counter currently being a 5* locked pull probably doesn't help his dominance...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 41 minutes ago, phineas81707 said: Free Reinhardt counter? (Because the best counter currently being a 5* locked pull probably doesn't help his dominance...) Cecilia is free bruh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Ice Dragon said: Hide contents Masks in anime-style media seem to always have that property when the wearer is trying to hide their identity and their identity is not supposed to be blatantly obvious to the audience. It's literally everywhere. But, yeah. That doesn't make it any less dumb. The few times where in-story characters actually recognize people wearing masks are typically when it's played for laughs (e.g. the character is trying super hard to hide their identity, but makes accidental slips every two words and the other characters are purposefully playing along) or when it's not supposed to hide their identity in the first place (e.g. a masquerade ball of politicians where everyone is supposed to be recognizable to everyone else, but the masks are there so that they don't have to admit they met people they probably shouldn't have). Though I guess there's the excuse of superhuman brain telepathy that transcends time and space that helps people recognize him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel07 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Quintessence said: Am I the only one smelling a future Bruno GHB? I think once his identity and motives are uncovered he might end up being recruitable. Doubtful he'll be a GHB, especially since those have been exclusive to legacy characters. More likely a future story chapter will involve recruiting him, like with the Askr royals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Okay, is it just me, or does the story make no sense anymore? Spoiler First Bruno is actually some dude named Loki, now we're supposed to believe he's Zacharias like we originally guessed? Seriously, what's going on with this? I'm really confused. It's like IS is just throwing shit out there now. Well, I've gotten myself up to 70 orbs. I don't want to pull on these new banners, but I would like some skill fodder and a 5 star axe other than Frederick. But I also don't want Summer Tiki. I wouldn't mind a better Summer Freddy either, but that's a bit lower priority. So conflicted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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