Sooks Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, Benice said: Well, to some extent, that is what Socialism is. People with more money will be paying more so that the general public will have more services. This means that the very rich will not be as rich anymore, but at the same time, the lower class also grows smaller. In theory anyways. It basically is redistributing resources so that everyone is closer to equal. I can see how that would have its opponents. I don’t think making the rich less rich, so to speak, would matter that much if done in moderation and to like the people who are super super rich and not like... upper middle class. And you don’t want a society to become too dependent on that because any time there’s any problem you can’t go “tax the rich!” because eventually there will be no rich. Of course all of this is in theory, that’s just my two cents, and possibly unrelated to what you were saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On a much lighter note, I beat Percy’s paralogue! And made 14,500 gold. Wow, that’s a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, twilitfalchion said: Say what you will, but it is something that does indeed happen if a path like that is taken. It's not about whether or not they have the money, but such a change doesn't just affect the higher ups. It will move down to the smaller businesses as well. And when one part of society suffers, the rest suffer with it. It's an inevitable outcome according to the laws of economics that have been proven time and again. Don't take my word for it. Read any text on classical economics and you'll understand what I mean. Then the problem isn't the path, it's them. The smaller businesses wouldn't be taxed the same amount as the larger ones. If it falls down to human behavior, then it's not really inevitable. We should stop limiting ourselves that way. Or let ourselves be limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Sooks said: And you don’t want a society to become too dependent on that because any time there’s any problem you can’t go “tax the rich!” because eventually there will be no rich. Of course all of this is in theory, that’s just my two cents, and possibly unrelated to what you were saying. Not merely theory. It's common sense, tbh. You can only use a resource for so long until it's exhausted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: Only the most radical say ''take it all''. Yes I agree! 3 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said: Not merely theory. It's common sense, tbh. You can only use a resource for so long until it's exhausted. See I would say that but I’m known amongst my family as lacking in common sense, so I like to take my logic with a grain of salt. xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said: You can only use a resource for so long until it's exhausted. And who uses the most resources and exhausts them? It isn't your everyday worker i tell you that 😉 19 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said: Say what you will, but it is something that does indeed happen if a path like that is taken. Every country in the world with welfare policies and working economies would disagree with you 19 minutes ago, twilitfalchion said: It will move down to the smaller businesses as well. Um, no. Or well, depends on how such laws are written/applied. Also, such reforms don't just come with cost increases for people, but also subsidies. Edited November 19, 2020 by Shrimperor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: And who uses the most resources and exhausts them? It isn't your everyday worker i tell you that 😉 I’m going to assume this is a joke and not a discussion point xD 2 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: Every country in the world with welfare policies and working economies would disagree with you It depends on how extreme it is. Speaking of, do we have any accurate or reliable measurements or estimations on how much the very rich would have to be taxed to get universal healthcare and how much that would effect them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sooks said: It depends on how extreme it is We have healthcare for almost everyone (mandatory insurace system, how much you pay depends on your status and income) and almost free secondary education. We are by now ways extreme, nor are our rich getting poor or getting all their money taxed. If anything, the top tax rate is too low, i say. Every 1st world country on earth except the US has those basic things. Especially Healthcare. 8 minutes ago, Sooks said: Speaking of, do we have any accurate or reliable measurements or estimations on how much the very rich would have to be taxed to get universal healthcare and how much that would effect them? Acacia posted a paper earlier on. There are also alot of stuff out there. Edited November 19, 2020 by Shrimperor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Here it is again, to avoid going back the pages: https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: We have healthcare for almost everyone (mandatory insurace system, how much you pay depends on your status and income) and almost free secondary education. We are by now ways extreme, nor are our rich getting poor or getting all their money taxed. If anything, the top tax rate is too low, i say. Every 1st world country on earth except the US has those basic things. Especially Healthcare. I know (surprisingly)! I just meant that if one went overboard they might agree with Twilit. 12 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Here it is again, to avoid going back the pages: https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003013 Thank you! Edited November 19, 2020 by Sooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Sooks isn't the only one replaying a 3DS FE. Playing Project Ember got me in the mood to replay Echoes, making it the first time I open my 3DS in like a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Haha, SoV was also the reason I took up my 3DS again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 5 € was the reason to grab Echoes again, but still haven't unpacked it yet. I have undusted my 3DS recently for a little Devil Survivor 2, but other games like Trails of Cold Steel IV and Persona 4 Golden collided. Edited November 19, 2020 by Kasumi Yoshizawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) I already recently replayed Echoes, so that's a no for me. It's only meh at best, imo. A few too many game play flaws that annoy me. Edited November 19, 2020 by lightcosmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 If you want alternatives... well, I'm a broken record at this point, but there's always SRW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Oh no, I just wanted to chip in somehow, and the Echoes talk reminded me of how i dont think it's the greatest FE game. Nor one of the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 Echoes was another reason for me not to try FE2 ever. Map design was to its worst. I didn't care for the story, even if it was decent. Gameplay was poor, and it would have been the worst FE game if it hadn't been a remake of a very old game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Well, I've been enjoying it so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 Maybe my opinion would change for having been absent of this series for quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roger The Paladin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kasumi Yoshizawa said: Echoes was another reason for me not to try FE2 ever. Map design was to its worst. I didn't care for the story, even if it was decent. Gameplay was poor, and it would have been the worst FE game if it hadn't been a remake of a very old game. I quite liked FE2 (indeed, I was rather eager for SoV because I wanted to see the improvements made). That said... I have a soft spot for those oddball second installments... and I'm not sure I could ever stomach another run through FE2 proper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Echoes map design was my biggest sticking point with it. Bored me after a while and witches were a pain to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) Quote I quite liked FE2 (indeed, I was rather eager for SoV because I wanted to see the improvements made). That said... I have a soft spot for those oddball second installments... and I'm not sure I could ever stomach another run through FE2 proper. I mean I have a soft spot for the older parts too, mainy SNES series, but the first two parts were games I couldn't really get into for having low a / o poor game mechanics. If I hadn't started with a complex game like FE10, my opinion would have been completely different. I would definitely try out FE3 at some time since both games don't look bad at all. Edited November 19, 2020 by Kasumi Yoshizawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottservia Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Is it wrong of me to think I actually like echoes’s gameplay more than its story? It’s the only reason I replay the game nowadays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benice Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) From what I played of FE2 and SoV, which admittedly isn't much, I liked it a lot. The map design was lax, but it was a fun game to mess around with. I really, really liked the dungeon exploration as well. I only finished act 2 in both SoV and Gaiden, but both were fun. It's a fun game to just chill and break in half, and the story and the presentation of the story were super enjoyable for me. Edited November 19, 2020 by Benice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Ottservia said: Is it wrong of me to think I actually like echoes’s gameplay more than its story? It’s the only reason I replay the game nowadays No opinion is wrong. Although ironically enough, the biggest reason for me to return to Echoes would be the story, characters, and presentation. I think they’re all excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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