Armagon Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 People on my TL talking about Astral Chain, gonna shill the game here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, DragonFlames said: I remember in Stay Night, they said the only reason Saber remembers the past Grail War (i.e. Fate/Zero) is because the summoning was botched, and that Servants normally aren't supposed to remember anything when they're summoned again (could be wrong, of course). actually, the reason why Saber remembers the past Grail wars isn't because of botched summoning, but because she's still alive and made a deal with Alaya, and not a spirit in the Throne of Heroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: actually, the reason why Saber remembers the past Grail wars isn't because of botched summoning, but because she's still alive and made a deal with Alaya, and not a spirit in the Throne of Heroes. Ah, that was it! Okay. Then I remembered the reason wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, DragonFlames said: Ah, that was it! Okay. Then I remembered the reason wrong. More like you believed Saber xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Shrimperor said: More like you believed Saber xD Or that! Damn you, Artoria! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Lanca Gashinda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 What the heck did I just watch? XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Nya Rangers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 That Ren that just had her title on a sign was the best one. XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) I need to finish the other Routes of Tsukihime someday. I only did Arc's route xD But the VN is just much harder to read than FSN. Not to mention we were promised a Remake like a decade ago... but FGO happened lol Edited July 28, 2020 by Shrimperor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 FGO, the most profitable of all the gachas. I curse the existence of that thing. Hey, Grail-kun! Can you give me something against that? *gives knife* Thanks, Grail-kun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 So... as it turns out, crazy dude with white hair is actually none other than Count Dracula. As in, Vlad III, a.k.a. Vlad the Imapler. Spoiler How... fitting... that he would be the Servant of a deranged, cannibalistic clown girl... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Xenopeeps: F for ch16 11 minutes ago, DragonFlames said: So... as it turns out, crazy dude with white hair is actually none other than Count Dracula. As in, Vlad III, a.k.a. Vlad the Imapler. Reveal hidden contents How... fitting... that he would be the Servant of a deranged, cannibalistic clown girl... Looks quite different from Apocrypha eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: Looks quite different from Apocrypha eh? Yep. Even their personalities are like day and night, so I really didn't expect this. EDIT: So... Archer just confirmed it for me. He said: "Our opponent this time is more Bram Stoker's Dracula than the historical Vlad III". Meaning the Dracula in Extra is based on the fictional version, while his Apocrypha incarnation is the historical one. Edited July 28, 2020 by DragonFlames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Armagon said: One of the complaints of the previous two games wasn't neccisarily "there's no EXP", it was "the game gives you too much free shit for battles to mean anything". I can't say that really applies to Origami King. Cause you can have EXP and still have combat be pointless. See: Final Fantasy 8, where everything scales with your levels. Combat isnt pointless in FF8, not if you know what your doing that is. Easy draws, easy mugging, alot of stuff is given to you for precisely that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, DragonFlames said: Meaning the Dracula in Extra is based on the fictional version Sasaki intensifies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: Sasaki intensifies Yup.I liked him, ngl. Edited July 28, 2020 by DragonFlames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armagon Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: Xenopeeps: F for ch16 F indeed. Ch.17 is when the Superbosses appear. If you ever wanna take them on at some point, here's the info: Final Marcus: Lv.100, Three-Sage Summit, Valak Mountain only at night. This one actually shows up earlier than Ch.17 and considering it's only one level above the player level cap, it's classification as a Superboss is debatable but for simplicitiy's sake, people still refer to it as one. Has close range Spike damage. Ancient Daedala: Lv.105, Wreckage Beach, Fallen Arm. Has very long 360 AoE sight making it impossible to sneak up on. Despotic Arsene: Lv.108, north of Glowing Obelisk in Satorl Marsh (near the path to the Nopon hideout). Will use Haste a lot on itself. Blizzard Belgazas: Lv.114, Great Glacier, Valak Mountain. Has Topple Spike. Do not fight this thing during a blizzard unless you wish to have a bad time. Avalanche Abaasy: Lv.120, Three-Sage Summit, Valak Mountain only when it's a blizzard at night time. Has Instant-Death Spike (the only enemy in the whole game to have this). Divine Protect or Debuff Resist Gems required for this fight. Preferbly 100%. If you're fighting Final Marcus and a blizzard happens, Abaasy will fuck you up. You will need to stack up on Agility and Night Vision gems for any of these not named Final Marcus. 22 minutes ago, lightcosmo said: Combat isnt pointless in FF8, not if you know what your doing that is. Easy draws, easy mugging, alot of stuff is given to you for precisely that reason. The main criticism i hear of FF8's combat is that everything scales with your level so you never actually get stronger. Edited July 28, 2020 by Armagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, Armagon said: Superbosses Considering i am not even lvl 70... Yeah, i don't think i can do it lol. I guess it's time for la final dungeon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFlames Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, Shrimperor said: Considering i am not even lvl 70... Yeah, i don't think i can do it lol. I guess it's time for la final dungeon! Good luck, Shrimpy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimpica Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, DragonFlames said: Good luck, Shrimpy! Thanks^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Armagon said: The main criticism i hear of FF8's combat is that everything scales with your level so you never actually get stronger. Not quite. Enemies only have three levels of scaling. They only get stronger every ten levels, then from thirty to ninety-nine it's the same. This is because what makes you stronger is the junction system. Even enemies at their strongest won't be too much of a problem if you junction powerful spells and the max number of them to your stats. I could be wrong here, they do level up but whether they actually get that much stronger... That said, it's still important to keep enemy levels low since otherwise certain draws and drops become harder to obtain when monsters become stronger. As such it's usually encourage to turn them into cards to avoid getting EXP. This is better than simply avoiding battles since you have to fight enemies otherwise your SeeD Ranking drops, and thus the amount of gil you receive at every pay time. Edited July 28, 2020 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Armagon said: The main criticism i hear of FF8's combat is that everything scales with your level so you never actually get stronger. Getting stronger mostly depends on junction and whether or not you have abilities like Str bonus etc, equipped. 10 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: Not quite. Enemies only have three levels of scaling. They only get stronger every ten levels, then from thirty to ninety-nine it's the same. This is because what makes you stronger is the junction system. Even enemies at their strongest won't be too much of a problem if you junction powerful spells and the max number of them to your stats. I could be wrong here, they do level up but whether they actually get that much stronger... That said, it's still important to keep enemy levels low since otherwise certain draws and drops become harder to obtain when monsters become stronger. As such it's usually encourage to turn them into cards to avoid getting EXP. This is better than simply avoiding battles since you have to fight enemies otherwise your SeeD Ranking drops, and thus the amount of gil you receive at every pay time. Drawing isn't harder because an enemies level is high, the formula for it takes user level and magic stat into the equation, + the natural resistance the magic has to being drawn. Here is an example from an FFVIII guide on monsters: Spoilers for length. Spoiler BEHEMOTH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LV RANGE | HP RANGE*1 | AP | Common card: Behemoth | LV-UD 1 ~ 100 | 35221 ~ 67000 | 12 | Rare card : BGH251F2 | yes ---------------------------- ELEMENTAL AFFINITIES ----------------------------- FIRE | ICE | THNDR | EARTH | POISN | WIND | WATER | HOLY | GRVTY x 1 | x 1 | x 1 | x 1 | x 1 | x 1 | x 1 | x 1 | no ------------------------------ BASIC STATISTICS -------------- EXP: 200 (+30) LV | HP | Strength | Vitality | Magic | Spirit | Speed | Evasion 1 | 35221 | 64 | 12 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 0 10 | 37300 | 81 | 12 | 26 | 24 | 4 | 1 20 | 39800 | 101 | 13 | 51 | 46 | 4 | 1 30 | 42500 | 120 | 13 | 76 | 69 | 5 | 2 40 | 45400 | 138 | 14 | 101 | 91 | 6 | 3 50 | 48500 | 157 | 15 | 125 | 114 | 6 | 3 60 | 51800 | 176 | 15 | 149 | 136 | 7 | 4 70 | 55300 | 195 | 16 | 173 | 159 | 7 | 4 80 | 59000 | 213 | 17 | 197 | 181 | 8 | 5 90 | 62900 | 231 | 17 | 220 | 204 | 9 | 6 100 | 67000 | 250 | 18 | 243 | 226 | 9 | 6 ------------------------------ STATUS AFFINITIES ------------------------------ KO | POI | PTR | DAR | SIL | BER | ZOM | SLE | HAS | SLO | STO | REG | REF 40 | 40 | 70 | 70 | 40 | 40 | 40 | 40 | 100 | 40 | - | 100 | 100 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The End: yes - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DOO | PET | FLO | CON | DRA | DGN | PRO | SHE | AUR | INV | DOU | TRI | VI0 40 | 70 | - | - | 100 | 50 | 100 | 100 | 100 | - | 100 | 100 | 100 ----------------- DRAWABLE MAGIC ------------------|------- DEVOUR TASTE ------ L 1~29 | Regen, Tornado | Delicious!!! L30~39 | Regen, Tornado | Delicious!!! L40~100| Regen, Tornado, Flare | Clear head! Base chance: 64/256 ----------- MUGGED ITEMS --------------------------------- L 1~29 | Barrier, Barrier, Barrier, Barrier L30~39 | Barrier, Barrier, Barrier, Barrier L40~100| 2x Barrier, 2x Barrier, 2x Barrier, 2x Barrier Base chance: 255/256 ----------- DROPPED ITEMS ---- Card drop: Behemoth L 1~29 | 3x Wizard Stone, 3x Wizard Stone, Barrier, Barrier L30~39 | Barrier, Giant's Ring, Energy Crystal, 2x Energy Crystal L40~100| 2x Barrier, Giant's Ring, Energy Crystal, 2x Energy Crystal As you can see, this Behemoth's stats do indeed raise based on level. You can also see it's drops and mugs change based on level as well, so higher level = better steals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acacia Sgt Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, lightcosmo said: Drawing isn't harder because an enemies level is high, the formula for it takes user level and magic stat into the equation, + the natural resistance the magic has to being drawn. Here is an example from an FFVIII guide on monsters: Spoilers for length. As you can see, this Behemoth's stats do indeed raise based on level. You can also see it's drops and mugs change based on level as well, so higher level = better steals. It's not that it becomes harder, it's that what you get changes. In some cases, some things stop being available. To use the Behemoth example, look how it stops dropping Wizard Stones after it turns level 30. Wizard Stones are very versatile since you can refine them into a multiple number of objects and high-level spells. This is important since you can't junction the same spell to two different stats. So it's actually a loss to level the Behemoth to the point it stops dropping the Wizard Stones. The flip side is that other monsters do drop Wizard Stones at higher levels, so the item isn't lost. But still, one thing to keep in mind is when each item is available due to enemy levels. Can make getting specific ones easier or harder. Edited July 29, 2020 by Acacia Sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightcosmo Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Acacia Sgt said: It's not that it becomes harder, it's that what you get changes. In some cases, some things stop being available. To use the Behemoth example, look how it stops dropping Wizard Stones after it turns level 30. Wizard Stones are very versatile since you can refine them into a multiple number of objects and high-level spells. This is important since you can't junction the same spell to two different stats. So it's actually a loss to level the Behemoth to the point it stops dropping the Wizard Stones. The flip side is that other monsters do drop Wizard Stones at higher levels, so the item isn't lost. But still, one thing to keep in mind is when each item is available due to enemy levels. Can make getting specific ones easier or harder. Well, if you want him to be below level 30, you just cast level down to divide his level by 1/2. Or the opposite with the level up ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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