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It's really not ideal how the Heavy Crossbow and Arbalest are both made redundant by the Repeater Crossbow existing. It even has the lowest rank requirement and shows up the earliest in the shop.

I'm gonna try to redesign the Arbalest as a 2-2 range weapon that ignores shields, but can only be used by infantry. The idea being that the Arbalest is too heavy to be used on horseback or in close quarters. Gonna be interesting to see how that works in practice. Sadly they only sell an Arbalest starting in chapter 8.
As for the Heavy Crossbow, no idea. I made it a bit stronger and accurate for now. And of course lowered the rank requirement by a lot.
Of course it's always risky to edit global variables of something the enemy uses. Enemies with Heavy Crossbows and Arbalests are most certainly already plenty dangerous.
On the bright side, on the enemy side Crossbows are only used by infantry and Trimier. So at least making them Infantry-only won't break anything. ...unlike my similar idea to make Longspears an Infantry-only weapon.
It's funny how that whole concept of "infantry-only" is only used for Pikes. And they are worthless.

On a related note, I would love to make Chris' class change a bit more worthwhile. As as a Crossbow specialist, it's not like the stat boosts do much for her. The obvious answer would be to give the class a skill. Can't decide on one, though. Pursuit or Celerity would obviously be overkill. Especially since any buffs to Crossbows also buff her by extension.
I try Desperation for now. It's actually kinda interesting to use with Crossbows as a pseudo-Aim that can be used while moving.

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36 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said:

No but seriously, I am of the opinion that Emblems are really well balanced... But Corrin kinda pushes it.

Every other turn the solution to the current conundrum is "burn tiles so the enemy can't walk to me." I would 100% have lost Eirika's paralogue when Eirika charged at me with her entire squad, but once the fliers were dispatched it became a simple matter of burning the chokepoint, then killing the enemies one by one as they slowly make their way towards me. Rinse and repeat till Eirika gets here.

Heck, for as much as I praised the synergy in my first run, Divine Dragon Alear with Corrin is completely redundant. Every dragon vein type pales in comparison to the mystical flames. Who needs avoid or defense when you can simply obstruct the enemy so they can't even reach you? Leaving the enemy at 1 movement (2 for mounts) is going to grant you invincibility 9 times out of 10. And you get some free chip damage as well. And the fire cannot kill your units, so you don't have to worry about that either. And it cannot be bypassed by the enemy, unlike the breakable ice tiles!

It's insane how I've weaseled my way out of dire situations by just going "Vandad burn that chokepoint." Add to that the ability to make any enemies useless with Draconic Hex and leave entire clusters of foes stuck in place with Dreadful Aura (up to a whopping 10 ENEMIES with ideal positioning and Torrential Roar), and the Emblem's just kind of out of this world. Far from an instawin button, but holy shit you can do so much with her.

Ah yes, the tried and true CHOKE THE POINT strategy.

No flames, but that's basially how you cheese Leif's paralogue once he destroys the bridge. Since the shoals do pretty much the same, except without the 10 damage per turn.

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7 minutes ago, Armagon said:

I liked the part where he becomes invincible and then kills you.

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It's just the same vision skill you have with A

Just survive for a while and then kick his ass

 

10 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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Yeah the radio is full of references to Xenogears, Xenosaga, and Xenoblade X.

 

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So...

Is he planning to connect everything together??

What's he cookin

 

11 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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Humanity in X was only able to have a future by abandoning people and Na'el (and Alpha) wanted just that, except they don't see anything wrong with it.

 

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Neither do i

nah jk

That said, i found Na'el's and Alpha's goals very understandable. If the destructive and hell-ish Aionios is Old Humanity's wish (no matter how non-sensical that plot point is in my opinion), why not just grant them mercy and lead the new ones, the innocents, who didn't wish for Aionios, into a new world?

Yeah it will eventually also fall, but that's human.

 

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16 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

.

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..

Is he planning to connect everything together??

What's he cookin

 

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Nah I don't think so. Legal rights aside, lore wouldn't add up. 

 

16 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

 

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Neither do i

nah jk

That said, i found Na'el's and Alpha's goals very understandable. If the destructive and hell-ish Aionios is Old Humanity's wish (no matter how non-sensical that plot point is in my opinion), why not just grant them mercy and lead the new ones, the innocents, who didn't wish for Aionios, into a new world?

Yeah it will eventually also fall, but that's human.

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Ultimately tho was that it wasn't just physically abandoning the past, it was forgetting about it. And you know what they say about those who forget their history.

I like how Z and Alpha are contrasted in this sense and how Ouroboros finds the right way forward.

Z wants to keep everything in a stagnating, safe, predictable world because why worry about the future? 

Alpha's in a similar way, only the opposite. Origin's purpose is to recreate a new world yet he took the extreme approach of deleting everything from the old, and this resonated with Na'el.

You can't allow yourself to stagnate but you also just can't forget about the past when moving on. Which is the conclusion Ouroboros comes to.

Side note but I was reviewing things, it looks like humanity's subconscious didn't wish for Aionios literally but rather, just something predictable and it caused Z to manifest, then he got self-aware and curled the monkey's paw. Which makes way more sense than humanity literally wishing for it. 

Not that this would absolve your issues with Moebius but I think you were looking at it a bit wrong.

8 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:
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The biggest plot hole of the trilogy

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Have you seen the theory that Mythra's child is Dirk?

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Eltosian Kadath said:

Are you trying a Farfetch'd Solo now? if so, that sounds fascinating (other than the potential disobedience issues if you don't beat Misty before getting Dux).

Nah, just a generic low tier (or what I assume is considered low tier) run.

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(Squirtle helped out until I got through Mt. Moon)

I was considering an Onix instead of Eldoon (whose main attack moves will eventually be EQ and Rock Slide), but I think I prefer a rather weak Pokemon with a nice little feature (Glare) to one that's just weak. To round out the team with two special attackers, I'm thinking Seaking and Porygon. I was thinking Seel->Dewgong because it's just adorable, but Dewgong is actually really good with its 95 SPECIAL and Ice stab; basically a less beefy, but slightly faster Lapras. Unfortunately, I might have to MissingNo myself some Nuggets to get Porygon, since this is the Red version. 😕 Waiting until I get $200k seems a bit too long.

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7 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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Ultimately tho was that it wasn't just physically abandoning the past, it was forgetting about it. And you know what they say about those who forget their history.

 

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And that's why Na'el and Alpha were antagonists. I find them hella understandable tho

 

8 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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I like how Z and Alpha are contrasted in

 

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Yeah that contrasting theming was hella good.

XBC3 antagonists was about being extreme about the past/present, while FR about the future

 

10 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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Z wants to keep everything in a stagnating, safe, predictable

 

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If only it was safe...

That would absolve alot of my problems with Z/Mobius. It needed to be a stagnating ugly world yes,  but on the surface a beautiful dream and all the ugly is hidden - hence why humanity's consciousness made it happen

 

12 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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just something predictable and it caused Z to manifest, then he got self-aware and curled the monkey's paw.

 

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Still doesn't make a whole lotsa sense, especially the "because it amuses me" part

Unless there was a collective BDSM fetish XD

 

13 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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Have you seen the theory that Mythra's child is Dirk?

 

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Yeah i did.

 

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1 minute ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:
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Still doesn't make a whole lotsa sense, especially the "because it amuses me" part

Unless there was a collective BDSM fetish XD

 

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Remember, Z is self-aware. So it doesn't mean humanity finds it pleasing, it just means he finds it pleasing.

I mean he literally sits in a theater all day.

 

3 minutes ago, Shrimpy -Limited Edition- said:

Yeah i did.

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All i'm saying is that it wasn't deconfimred.

I don't actually want it but it would be funny.

 

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Ya know, the real reason

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Na'el is an antagonist is because her dream world is Murica

Girl you crazy XD

 

5 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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Remember, Z is self-aware. So it doesn't mean humanity finds it pleasing, it just means he finds it pleasing.

 

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Still, he was created by humanity's consciousness. His personality should be based on something. 

 

7 minutes ago, Armagon said:
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I don't actually want it but it would be funny.

 

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same lol

 

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Ah, good to see my brother will be the peanut gallery as always.

Has already quite a few humorous comments, already. XD

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That said @Armagon

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If Z had an avatar that wished for this and aligned with him with an understandable reason, akin to Na'el with Alpha, i think it would've worked quite well imo.

If Alpha was an antagonist alone it wouldn't have worked well imo, as i don't like the whole machine want to end thing, but because we got Na'el who had understanable/human motivations it worked really well

 

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1 hour ago, Saint Rubenio said:

No but seriously, I am of the opinion that Emblems are really well balanced... But Corrin kinda pushes it.

Every other turn the solution to the current conundrum is "burn tiles so the enemy can't walk to me." I would 100% have lost Eirika's paralogue when Eirika charged at me with her entire squad, but once the fliers were dispatched it became a simple matter of burning the chokepoint, then killing the enemies one by one as they slowly make their way towards me. Rinse and repeat till Eirika gets here.

Corrin really has cemented herself as the best emblem of the bunch by almost everyone.

1 hour ago, Saint Rubenio said:

 

Heck, for as much as I praised the synergy in my first run, Divine Dragon Alear with Corrin is completely redundant. Every dragon vein type pales in comparison to the mystical flames. Who needs avoid or defense when you can simply obstruct the enemy so they can't even reach you? Leaving the enemy at 1 movement (2 for mounts) is going to grant you invincibility 9 times out of 10. And you get some free chip damage as well. And the fire cannot kill your units, so you don't have to worry about that either. And it cannot be bypassed by the enemy, unlike the breakable ice tiles!

Funny you say that, as I remember the Covert Fog Machine as one of the most busted uses of Corrin. It obstructs enemies and give +60 evasion to the Covert user to make them almost invincible. I have even heard praise of the healing terrain as well. Just being able to generate a chunk of terrain like that is really good, almost no matter what the specifics are, as the player will find a way of abusing it.

 

31 minutes ago, ping said:

Nah, just a generic low tier (or what I assume is considered low tier) run.

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Fair enough. Arbok does have the funny Glare-Wrap combo, but it is so RNG based that it is hard to call it good.

 

39 minutes ago, ping said:

 

I was considering an Onix instead of Eldoon (whose main attack moves will eventually be EQ and Rock Slide), but I think I prefer a rather weak Pokemon with a nice little feature (Glare) to one that's just weak. To round out the team with two special attackers, I'm thinking Seaking and Porygon. I was thinking Seel->Dewgong because it's just adorable, but Dewgong is actually really good with its 95 SPECIAL and Ice stab; basically a less beefy, but slightly faster Lapras. Unfortunately, I might have to MissingNo myself some Nuggets to get Porygon, since this is the Red version.

To be fair Onix's attack stat is hilariously bad, so Onix is definitely in this low tier ballpark. I am curious how the Porygon will do, as I don't think I have ever seen anyone actually bother to use one in a real run. Also fair warning, purchasing coins in bulk is kinda torture in gen 1, so good luck with that purchase. Finally the use of Seaking has the added benefit of meaning you will be one of the few people to actually see Seaking's signature move in Gen 1, Waterfall...

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8 minutes ago, Eltosian Kadath said:

Funny you say that, as I remember the Covert Fog Machine as one of the most busted uses of Corrin. It obstructs enemies and give +60 evasion to the Covert user to make them almost invincible. I have even heard praise of the healing terrain as well. Just being able to generate a chunk of terrain like that is really good, almost no matter what the specifics are, as the player will find a way of abusing it.

The rest of the terrain is great too, but the fire terrain is just out of this world. Though come to think about it, the ice terrain would let you proc Wyvern Knight's class skill at will, wouldn't it? There's a neat strat to be done there... But really, that's the problem with all the veins relative to flames: You can do neat strats with all of them. With fire, you can paralyze the entire enemy force and buy yourself all the time you need to chip everything to death. Its only weakness is fliers, but I don't believe there's any point in the game where you get so many fliers thrown at you that they invalidate the fire vein.

Sheesh, next run I might even keep myself from using fire veins. They feel borderline cheap. If enemies are charging from multiple sides it's difficult to burn them all, and of course fliers are an issue, but there's just way too many situations in which popping a fire vein buys me the turn I need.

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