Schoolteacher Mafia

[Sunwoo]

I just read through the thread again. Have some thoughts.

In response to Helios and Blitz saying that Mancer and I seemed to "contradict" each other, that's my fault for not reading the thread closely enough at the time and slight miscommunication. My first read of the thread was at my friend's house, during a small party, so I'd misread some things in Mancer's post. I showed up because Mancer was offline and I wasn't sure how long he'd be offline, so this would be a good time to use one of my alloted posts.

Lucina, if you're going to build a case against Mancer/me, you do realize that there's been a whole bunch of content posts you could've used as your reasoning instead of RVS stuff? Because right now, I'm getting the impression that you didn't actually read through the entire thread or that you didn't understand it. I highly advise you to talk to Excellen if you haven't already.

I like Elie at the moment. I feel that he is trying to make stuff happen and pushing for others to contribute as well. I feel less good about scorri. She did RVS and RPing before vanishing last night and didn't do much else. I know she said that she "wasn't in the mood for mafia" before leaving, but she didn't contribute a lot before then either. Rocker's response to Excellen seems legitimate to me, if a little strong.

[Shinori]

Okay, I reread the thread and I noticed that quite a number of people have not posted at all. They are:

8. Kaoz

9. Lucina/Excellen (only made one post that was very RP-heavy and has not made any other posts so far, active lurking?)

10. Elieson (made a few very RP-heavy posts as well, possible active lurking)

12. Kay

13. Baldrick

14. NekoRex

15. BBM

16. Bananas (supposed to be sleeping, oh well)

17. Rocker64

I want all of you guys (9 out of 17 players) to actually tell us about what you think about the current situation.

Namely, respond to the argument I had with Shinori, on both of our posts and responses, and what you think of anyone else that have posted. Prims, Shinori, Paperblade, Balcerzak and myself in particular have made quite a number of posts with our thoughts, actions, prods and pressurising on other players. What do you think of all of our interactions with each other.

Questioning why people hadn't posted that much this early into a day phase is silly. Some people hadn't even been online to see this I don't think when you posted it.

I question why you are telling everyone to reply to the bolded part. I'm sure if people felt they needed to respond to the thing that happened extremely early on, they would.

Another thing, just saying "Hey everyone give me your thoughts on everyone" (which is what the italisized part sounds like) is kind of a bad way to get information. You aren't really putting pressure on any one person in my opinion. It really makes me think that you are just trying to look super obv town at the moment by trying to ask everyone various different questions. Maybe I misread it or didn't understand it that well but whatever.

More people get on the bus for this wagon imo.

Also. THE BIG BANG THEORY. It's sad to know that all of you teachers have chosen to not remember your studies from previous years so let me explain.

Although the big bang theory is famous, it's also widely misunderstood. A common misperception about the theory is that it describes the origin of the universe. That's not actually quite right. The big bang is an attempt to explain how the universe developed from a very tiny, dense state into what it is today. It doesn't attempt to explain what initiated the creation of the universe, or what came before the big bang or even what lies outside the universe.

Another misconception is that the big bang was a kind of explosion. That's not accurate either. The big bang describes the expansion of the universe. Some theories say that the expansion of the universe was at a massive speed, some say the speed of light, but it still wasn't an 'explosion' in any case.

Summing up the big bang theory is a challenge. It involves concepts that contradict the way we perceive the world. The earliest stages of the big bang focus on a moment in which all the separate forces of the universe were part of a unified force. The laws of science begin to break down the further back you look. Eventually, you can't make any scientific theories about what is happening, because science itself doesn't apply.

I'll go into more detail about this later.

[Shinori]

Hey I'm in boron's signature. Weeeee.

[Helios]

First of all, Prims, I agree that telling people you're voting them "for reactions" defeats the purpose of the vote. Mancer was overzealous and let that slip by accident, though. He didn't even realize why you switched your vote to him for saying that until a few minutes later.

Shinori, if you're frustrated by Mancer asking you to post content while you were at work I can understand that. But it's likely that he might have missed your post about being at work. I don't like your overreaction either.

I kept my vote on Shinori because he was not making any content posts. Yes, I knew he was at work, and I had made some posts after those two posts you had mentioned that said I was willing to wait for him to make a content post before I moved my vote.

Those posts should have explained that I really had no other person to move my vote to at that moment. I had no scum reads then, and Shinori, who I voted to get content, had not responded yet.

I felt that he had really overreacted a little in that post. His post shows a very hostile and aggressive tone, I can't tell whether it's because he is really irritated or if he is being hostile for the sake of it, but I can safely say that there was actually no need for him to have such a defensive reaction, since I had said that I would remove the vote from him the moment he made an actual content post. All he had to do was make one post like what Elieson and Blitz/Bluedoom had done and I would have removed my vote from him.

These two contradict each other. Boron's trying to defend Mancer on grounds that he "just let it slip out", but as we see here he's still trying to explain how he was doing the whole reaction vote thing, which completely ruins the point of a reaction vote. More importantly, Boron said that Mancer may not have realized that he was at work, but Mancer says he did know Shinori was at work and did it anyway, which means that the attacks on him for this are legitimate. However, I do agree that Shinori's reaction was a bit unnecessary.

[Helios]

Aaaand I just got ninja'd to high heaven

[Ema Skye]

And more of a concern to me is Lucina; what was that Mancer vote based on? It's never a bad thing to want the game to proceed. Wanting RP to hit the sidelines is one thing, but wanting effort to hit the sidelines is not good in my play book.

Yeah, I do agree with you that throwing away effort is a bad thing.

However, my vote on Mancer is based on me thinking he's trying to rush. He wants the day over fast, which lowers the amount of time we can discuss suspicions. I'd rather use all of our daylight to get a mafia member than get a mislynch within one day of the game thread being up.

@SB: With regards to Shinori, I do think he did overreact a bit. Mancer was looking for reactions, and his vote was non-serious. I don't really like that Shinori got that mad about a random vote, but I'm still sticking with my Mancer vote.

[Ema Skye]

Aaaand I just got ninja'd to high heaven

You aren't the only one.

[Shinori]

Aaaand I just got ninja'd to high heaven

You aren't the only one.

You guys so silly.

You should have just stayed home today. Just do that tonight instead ;P You won't have to worry about doing anything.

Then it won't matter if you are ninjad!

[Helios]

FOS: SB because his only posts have been really lazy. He completely ignored everything that has been happening so far, labeled Shinori v. Mancer as "intown fighting" (which is like the laziest thing to do) and voted Lucina for seemingly no reason. There's more to the game than that, so care to add some more thoughts, SB?

On a side note, NekoRex pretty much labeling the entire game as town except scorri (who is scummy because he misinterpreted what scorri meant in her last post from last night) isn't good either. Rest of is posts are pretty much fluffy kitty fur that don't have much to do with the actual game right now. I realize it's early in the game but I know you can say more than that about what's going on so far.

[Helios]

In response to Helios and Blitz saying that Mancer and I seemed to "contradict" each other, that's my fault for not reading the thread closely enough at the time and slight miscommunication. My first read of the thread was at my friend's house, during a small party, so I'd misread some things in Mancer's post. I showed up because Mancer was offline and I wasn't sure how long he'd be offline, so this would be a good time to use one of my alloted posts.

Lucina, if you're going to build a case against Mancer/me, you do realize that there's been a whole bunch of content posts you could've used as your reasoning instead of RVS stuff? Because right now, I'm getting the impression that you didn't actually read through the entire thread or that you didn't understand it. I highly advise you to talk to Excellen if you haven't already.

I like Elie at the moment. I feel that he is trying to make stuff happen and pushing for others to contribute as well. I feel less good about scorri. She did RVS and RPing before vanishing last night and didn't do much else. I know she said that she "wasn't in the mood for mafia" before leaving, but she didn't contribute a lot before then either. Rocker's response to Excellen seems legitimate to me, if a little strong.

Fair enough. It's really a lesser point anyway since I realize things like this are part of playing with a hydra. This is a better post from you since you're giving out more opinions on players in the game and aren't just defending Mancer the entire time. I feel a tad better about this player slot, but it really depends on how Mancer does when he comes back.

Alright I gotta go for now and will be back later tonight to try and post more.

[eclipse]

I do not hand out modkills for people requesting votals while I'm on this little laptop thing with a touchpad that hates me

Please bold your votes so I have an easier time compiling these!

Elieson (1) - scorri

Helios (2) - Balcerzak, Paperblade

Lucina (4) - Blitz, Bananas, Elieson, Rocker64

MancerNecro (2) - Shinori, Lucina

scorri (3) - Prims, Kaoz, NekoRex

Shinori (2) - MancerNecro, Helios

Not voting - Kay, Baldrick, BBM

54.5ish hours remaining!

[Paperblade]

tbh I don't really think much of Boron and Mancer slightly contradicting each other since I think it's unlikely that Mancer posted all his thoughts in his role PM for Boron to see. Some of the other things Mancer does bother me, though, but I don't really think it's scummy quite yet.

SB posted votals and when prodded by Elieson said he was trying to get his thoughts in order, then the post he made was attacking Elieson?... That feels off. Surely you have more thoughts than that.

Helios is actually contributing now, so that's good.

##Unvote, ##Vote: Shinori

Could you comment on current events rather than Mancer's "People need to post"

[Shinori]

Ruh-roh. PAPER VOTED ME OH GOD. Wait Paper's in this game?

No I like to tunnel. It's like a magical tunnel that can take you anywhere. You know that tunnel that we always have to go through on the long distance field trips, yeah it's like that one.

To be all honest most of my reads are like gut reads or weird feelings but.

Something seems off about Elieson, specifically I got weird feelings about post #81. His exchange with SB makes me think that he is guaging town reactions on if he should vote him or not. Also elieson's vote on Lucina seems terrible. Massive FoS here.

Paper seems massively underwhelming. Dunno why. Unmemorable to me so far, I know we aren't that far in but still. I feel like it's early game coasting.

The rocker/excellen exchange seems wierd to me and frankly I didn't like rocker's vote on Lucina because it seems like an easy wagon and I don't like how her wagon is building up. Gonna go re read some more stuff later.

[Prims]

Im mafia

[NekoRex]

On a side note, NekoRex pretty much labeling the entire game as town except scorri (who is scummy because he misinterpreted what scorri meant in her last post from last night) isn't good either. Rest of is posts are pretty much fluffy kitty fur that don't have much to do with the actual game right now. I realize it's early in the game but I know you can say more than that about what's going on so far.

I've been keeping up with the thread but nothing honestly sticks out to me so far. I don't want to call the game "a bunch of white noise" but it's hard to pick out anything interesting or scummy to make light of.

I noticed everyone seems to acknowledge Rocker's reaction as "legit" but nobody seems to have any opinion on him other then that. I guess it's understandable for his three posts so far, though.

I'd consider unvoting if it weren't appeasement and an empty unvote. I may consider looking out for a low content poster, but that just seems like a lazy option. Hrmmm...

[NekoRex]

I suppose the most interesting thing so far is the exchange between Rocker and Excellen. Rocker really seems to jump on it and was pretty aggressive with the response. Maybe it's because I haven't played with him in a year, but it seems unlike him?

Excellen seems no better in the confrontation, and his attack on Rocker rubs me the wrong way as well. I guess I'll reread Lucina and Excellen and see if they're worth a vote.

[BBM]

I have not read this thread yet. I was only able to come on for about ten minutes and chose to spend that time to see why Mystery ended in a universal loss. I will be able to contribute starting tomorrow evening. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Prims]

Helios' ED1 vote seems unimpressive; Shinori's defensive reaction was to Mancer and not me as he was cut by my post. Want to see him comment on recent development since his vote's still on Shinori.

Lucina's Mancer vote takes the turbolynch comment out of context and votes over RP; Rocker's vote is agreeable with that in mind and Excellen's reaction blows things out of proportion imo since he seems to misinterpret why Rocker is even voting. Also think "Mancer is rushing things" point seems forced to make Lucina sound pro-town given it's a conclusion drawn from non-serious posts. Could go for this wagon.

##Unvote

##Vote: Lucina (L-a lot)

Not actually satisfied on scorri, #85 doesn't explain how Elie is "grasping", especially since Elie's vote isn't actually on Bananas. Want her to elaborate alongside her other reads when she comes back.

I think Mancer/Boron are fine; Boron's post had more content than just a defense while Mancer was away and the differing thought processes seem less a scummy contradiction than Boron just not having access to Mancer's brain. As far as hydras jumping to their partner's defense go Lucina's slot looks a lot worse.

Paperblade: Is Helios' actual content okay with you though? Feels voteparky, esp. given what I just pointed out wrt Helios' Shinori vote.

Wish Shinori would spoiler his :words: about the Big Bag Theory lmao.

[MancerNecro]

Okay, I just woke up and read the thread, and I am glad to see that there has been quite an amount of discussion going on.

I am going to start off with saying that I did not really like Shinori's later posts. His posts seem to be more than half filled with RPing. Either that or he makes just one sentence (that has almost no relation to the game at hand then leaves).

The exchange between Rocker and Excellen has left me slightly confused. I have no idea what Excellen is referring to in his attack against Rocker, and if possible I'd like to ask Lucina or Excellen to clarify that post.

Lucina's original two posts were really RP heavy. She then follows up one content post and then moves on to make another minimalist post. So far, I'm not liking the fact that Lucina's posts contain quite a bit of fluff.

As mentioned by Prims, she also does take quotes off context, but I don't think that is scummy until she starts tunneling or pushing heavily with out of context posts.

Speaking of players who seem to post a minimal amount of stuffs, I really think that SB could be active lurking. He has made quite a number of posts that does not have much content and even made one post asking us to refer to and read his previous post. While I appreciate his effort in making the votals, I really have to point this out and ask him to make slightly more content posts.

With regards to the whole interaction between NekoRex, I feel that NekoRex is blowing that bit about "giving up" a little out of proportion. Also, I don't see where Scorri made that comment. Scorri was also a little too defensive in that exchange, explaining herself a little more than I feel is necessary to defend herself.

I like Elieson's recent posts, they're all content heavy, and I agree with his pushes on SB, especially as SB has continued not to make useful content posts.

Yeah, these are just my two cents on the situation at hand based on my read of the thread in the morning.

[MancerNecro]

I'm keeping my vote on Shinori because he has continued to act scummy, especially with that large amount of RPing and "Big Bang Theory" that he posts up.

[Shinori]

I'm scummy fir following my posting restriction? Also I recommend reading my recent posts. Considering they have thoughts on recent situations. Specifically the post with the big bang theory before I talked about the theory I had all game related stuff.

[scorri]

Scorri was also a little too defensive in that exchange, explaining herself a little more than I feel is necessary to defend herself.

I figured that it was easier to just fully explain the situation and thus hopefully prevent there from being any questions while I was gone and unable to answer them.

Now, lots of people are asking for my reads, so I'm going to go reread and talk about what I think. Give me ~10 minutes, k?

[Kay]

Haven't been keeping up very well, still away from home. NekoRex looks pretty bad from skimming the thread though.

[scorri]

I'm pretty sure scorri says "I don't see anything except RVS" whenever she rolls scum

Not really. I pretty much say that whenever. As Paper pointed out, my scum play and my town play are rather similar. So. *shrug*

Ok, thoughts so far:

Elie seems to have been around a decent bit, but at first all he was doing a lot of RP and less content posting. Then, he dropped off SB since SB had posted, but then continues to push on him in the posts I mentioned I found scummy previously. Like, he unvotes SB, but then proceeds to claim he still finds him scummy. Also his push about SB not rping is odd. It doesn't really have any relevance if SB rp's or not, especially since the amount of rping was annoying some people. Seems like he's just looking for reasons to find SB scummy. I'm going to keep my vote here since I didn't really like his reaction to my vote either.

Then there's Kaoz. He appears and votes me for not liking what I've been doing and being lazy. And yet he only has that one post in which he didn't actually give very many thoughts and instead asked some questions and dropped a vote on me. Seems kinda hypocritical to me since it looks like he's trying to get other people to do his work for him by asking those questions.

I also really don't like Neko's misrep of me. Accusing me of giving up and trying to get pity from people when I'm clearly not doing so seems like trying to push a BS case on me. Also this:

Tone the insults down a notch, Rocker. You might want to touch up a bit on your grammar as well, it is somewhat painful to read your posts.

seems really off to me. Like... he tells Rocker to stop being insulting and then insults Rocker. And he basically just seems to be coasting by with fluff posts while claiming that the whole game is just doing that.

Don't really see the issue with Mancer/Boron and Shinori is acting like town!Shinori right now, so I'm willing to bet they were just intown fighting before. Though I will say, this quote:

Paper seems massively underwhelming. Dunno why. Unmemorable to me so far, I know we aren't that far in but still. I feel like it's early game coasting.

makes me feel like Shinori might not be reading as carefully as he should be. Paper's been around a fair bit more than a good chunk of people I'd say.

Summary of reads:

Mancer/Boron and Shinori probably town

Elie, Kaoz, and Neko are pinging my scum radar. Sticking with Elie for now.

[Paperblade]

@Prims: His content isn't amazing but it's better than some other people (SB, Lucinallen, Shinori). I kind of get the same feeling as Rex so far (game is a bunch of white noise), so it's tough.

tbh I dislike Llen's pressuring of rocker more than I dislike Lucina's weirdness (It is sort of grasping I guess), but maybe I give too much of a pass to newbies. I don't really want to vote them quite yet since some people have yet to make actual content posts though.