It's Time To Duel!!!! Mafia [Game Over]

[Prims]

actually might still be down for a psych lynch since he basically disappeared again after claiming and there's this thing where you're still putting a lot of effort to the game and i'm predisposed toward lynching lurkers / hard reads D1 because it's the best time to get rid of them

for now I want everybody who's around (this means you Shinori and Poet) to talk about their priorities between the 4 candidates and explain why.

[Randa]

I'm done for the night So my votes gonna stay where it is.

[Eurykins]

Can do.

Myself: No thank you. Not interested in self-lynching like I've done carelessly in other games, and I know it'll end in a mislynch anyways.

Vhaltz: This post holds why I refuse to vote/lynch Vhaltz.

Psych: This post holds why I'm okay with voting/lynching Psych, though the cc earlier is making me slightly hesitant.

Randa: The latter part of this post (in regards to the logic behind who he chose to vote) kinda sat ill with me, but I felt no scummy vibes (quite the opposite) with this post.

So overall, my priority would go: Psych > Randa >>>>> Vhaltz/myself.

##Vote Psych

[Green Poet]

for now I want everybody who's around (this means you Shinori and Poet) to talk about their priorities between the 4 candidates and explain why.

I assume the candidates are Eury, Vhaltz, Poly and Psych?

My Psych case was a few pages back, and was essentially based upon his tendency to ask questions like "Why do you think I'm scum?" and "So if I did X, would that be alright with you?" rather than asking questions with initiative, or stating his reads.

Vhaltz's claim, as I said, is more believable to me than the other neighborizer claims because of how it seems balanced. It's possible he managed to be especially creative with fakeclaiming a card like that, but it would've been simpler to fakeclaim a doctor card or something instead, and perhaps harder to test. Null on him for now.

Leaning slightly town on Eury, slightly. Her hesitancy to vote now matches up with the "don't vote if unsure" policy that she suggested I follow earlier. It could be scum trying to avoid lynching each other, but since it's highly likely that at least one out of Vhaltz, Poly and Psych actually is a neighborizer, she doesn't need to pretend to be hesitant in order to keep up that impression.

I think Poly is less likely to be scum than Psych, because he claimed first, and his posts weren't as empty. I wouldn't bet on him being town either, though.

[Green Poet]

Okay, scratch that bit on Eury, then. I do support a Psych lynch, but her vote does sort of contradict the premise of my read on her just now.

[Elieson]

Elieson's Official "WILL MODKILL FOR ORGIES" Votals!



Psych (4): Vhaltz, Randa, Green Poet, Eurykins
Vhaltz (4): Shinori, Kay, Mango Sentinel, scorri
Randa (3): Psych, bearclaw, BigPlaysMeteor
Eurykins (3): kirsche, SB., prims

Voteless Kuribohs: Shin, 3-13 Garland

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Phase ends in 4 Hours and 20 Minutes. 9 Hammers, and this phase only may end with a majority-based lynch if no hammer occurs.

[Eurykins]

Okay, scratch that bit on Eury, then. I do support a Psych lynch, but her vote does sort of contradict the premise of my read on her just now.

How so? My vote was on Psych before- the only reason why I withdrew was because of random Psych CC to the neighborizing? o_O

+ The case posted, and I do agree with the notion of Psych's dropping the CC and poofing off without much else. Felt a bit easy of a stragety, albeit one that's bound to make the rest of us uneasy/doubtful of not only lynching Psych himself, but of the other two's claims.

[Prims]

##Unvote

##Vote: Psych

The effort Eury's putting into her deadline posts looks legit to me and although Psych's claim was unprompted it doesn't impress me how he disappeared afterwards. Neighborizer being provable implies that Poly wasn't lying, so there's definitely not a 1v1 between them, and I can't help but think Psych would only present the claim as a CC if he wanted to make Poly look bad but felt he could get away with "but we COULD both be town!" after Poly flips. If he's town he's ignoring how the rest of Poly's claim (vig + suicide bomber) is likely a townclaim. Not to mention that he didn't actually vote Poly. so yeah calling bullshit on Poly just looks like a bunch of hot air on Psych's part

Shinori is probably mafia. The only reason I didn't point him out when I pointed out GP is because I forgot he was playing.

I also forgot scorri was playing but she reads like Bored/Javert this game in that she had a bad start and is just sort of lost but not really ill-intentioned

[Da Bear]

hey guys I'm around on phone if you need but def not until phase end.

Randa or Pysch would be cool lynches imo, Eurykins I would lynch as a last resort and I'm not feeling a Vhaltz lynch.

[Prims]

bearclaw do you have thoughts about players not related to deadline rush? You've barely even existed today.

[Da Bear]

bearclaw do you have thoughts about players not related to deadline rush? You've barely even existed today.

Nothing much in the way of scumminess. Mostly getting null reads and some town reads, Randa and Psych are the only ones sticking out to me.

[Green Poet]

How so? My vote was on Psych before- the only reason why I withdrew was because of random Psych CC to the neighborizing? o_O

Oh, my bad. Looks like I missed your first vote.

The effort Eury's putting into her deadline posts looks legit to me and although Psych's claim was unprompted it doesn't impress me how he disappeared afterwards.

It seemed to me as though Psych CC'ed because he was in danger of being lynched? He might've tried to cast doubt upon Poly in order to shift some votes off him.

If he's town he's ignoring how the rest of Poly's claim (vig + suicide bomber) is likely a townclaim.

This is concerning to me, too. He said something about not being able to post much on mobile, but that could easily be a means to avoid elaborating on his claim.

Would like to hear bearclaw's case on Randa.

[Eurykins]

@Poet: All good.

Also, not sure what to make of the fluctuating "Anonymous users"/guests continuously poking their heads through this thread. I know Prims has/generally does it (so there's one person at least), but the others...? More lurking scum not posting or just random anon people? o_O

(And where the heck did Shino and others go? I thought he (Shino) was here earlier, and now he too died. Man, people vote-dropping/CC-dropping and then poofing offline/elsewhere. Kinda peeves me slightly at times (especially near phase end), not gonna lie. ;/)

[Prims]

shinori is busy talking to his mafia buddies in the mafia quicktopic because hes aligned with the mafia

[Da Bear]

I kind of already gave my randa case Green, do you mean my pysch case?

shinori is busy talking to his mafia buddies in the mafia quicktopic because hes aligned with the mafia

I find he does this more often as town tbh.

At any rate I'm off in 5 minutes so if you want me on Pysch instead say something.

[Eurykins]

@Prims:

Eh. He is certainly being lazy with his posting, imo, but his content isn't necessarily as questionable as when I've seen as scum (though I recall him asking around a bit ago regarding what people thought his town/scum meta were, so that might be changing his contributions/posting style)- at least not right now.

But just the sheer lack of people actually posting up more thoughts/reads in-thread near the end of the phase is kinda making the time we have pretty much useless (votes are where they are, but more talking can always pull up more options/pov's on what's happened so far). That, and Psych kinda came and went without much explanation/elaboration on that CC, so, despite the supposed CC, we're sitting here with little to nothing to go on. Kinda derpy gameplay/posting as a whole.

[scorri]

Ughhh, ok, I'm here. For right now

##Unvote

There's still some stuff I have to say to Vhaltz, but most of it is probably me nitpicking at things and I want to take the night phase to read over things and not just skim through four pages to catch up at deadline.

That being said, I don't have much of an idea who I want to lynch, but his claim and the way he went about it make me lean null/town on him. So there's that.

I... don't really know who I want to lynch. I've had a rough couple of days as the host knows and so I haven't been paying as much attention as I probably needed to. I'll try to fix that over the night phase, but for now I'll just try and catch up and also be around to make sure a lynch happens.

[Prims]

SHINORI #99: The only reason cited for the Vhaltz vote is arguing that Vhaltz is hypocritical over a hypothetical scenario Vhaltz offered up. This is bad even for ED1, it's mechanical scumhunting that implies Shinori didn't make an effort to read into what the post was actually saying in context or look for intent behind Vhaltz's post.

aaaaand then Shinori keeps Vhaltz on his scumread list for the rest of the day without ever really going into it. Vhaltz is essentially his fallback option but there's no reason he actually finds Vhaltz scummy looking at his posts. His posts are padded, like the SB push, where he claims it's weird SB votes Eury when all SB posted about Eury was... reasons he finds Eury scummy. like seriously what the hell was Shinori even looking for here? the other padding comes in the form of side-comments which just aren't followed up, overall he's very impartial to the entire game and votes for weak reasons.

also this post baffles me because Balcerzak isn't even playing this game

[Prims]

Refa stop lurking and post something, geez.

[Grace]

I too think that a non-player should stop lurking

[Eurykins]

@Prims (WRT Shino posts)

First one: It's true it wasn't done with much in-depth logic, but the mannerisms/posting style he took in the entire post itself didn't make it seem like he was posting cases in a super serious/hardcore manner, if that makes sense. So, to me, it didn't seem out-of-place to not have a super solid means of logic/reason held against Vhaltz, (especially given the time in which it was made- ED1).

Second link/post: I can see both sides of the argument, tbh: SB didn't put forth a whole lot against me in that post, but still did vote against me (one that he apparently still holds on me despite me nullifying the base reason of his argument(s)/voting for me), and that SB's post did feel waffly/weird to me. But I do acknowledge that perhaps he was trying too hard to make somewhat of a play/reason to vote SB. Hard to explain, but it did feel slightly nitpicky/awkward on Shino's part?

Last one: Lol, I didn't even notice that. Hidden players obviously OP yo.

[Refa]

Hi Prims. I don't actually exist!

[MRDRHAWK]

Tricksy scum you is Refa

##Refa

But srsly why are we lynching Psych again

Can I just shoot Vhaltz pls so he doesn't try to screw us by dragging the vig with him

[Prims]

vhaltz is probably town dude

seriously, shoot kay or bearclaw or some lurker please. maybe even shinori. vhaltz at least posts a lot of words we can read him on and has a provable ability (lovers). if you still think he's mafia later you can sui onto him or something but going for him this early is just a terrible idea

also I was townreading you because your Nidai avatar went well with your posts but now I have to reconsider hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[MRDRHAWK]

Tricsky little scum you are Prims

I may just shoot Kay instead actually but seriously Vhaltz if I come back one day and find I've been lovers'd with you I am going to reach through my computer and punch you in the head