Korath88 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Still no sign of Innes or Tana, but I did get some good skill fodder: 4* Subaki, Lissa, Matthew and Kagero 3* Odin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Tried a snipe, no blues, so picked a green. I finally found that mythical 4* Fae! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeo Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Pulled reds on TT banner. Another *3 Hana and another *4 Seliph. Instead of thinking that I could get 9 more orbs and pull 2 last reds, I pulled for a stupid blue and got what? a *3 Gwendolyn. Stupid. I have one last pull with the final 5 orbs on the TT banner that I'll be able to do tomorrow. Both pools spat in my face and gave me one red orb and a bunch of blue/colorless. 3.75%. Will there be a Gray waiting in that last magical red orb? We'll find out tomorrow. (Watch the next pool have all reds just to be cruel.) Edited August 23, 2017 by Zeo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinite Dreams Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I am not really a fan of the SS characters (except Tana), but I get cravings to pull for new characters, so I have been opening everything blue/green/colourless with my free orbs. I was avoiding red because I have too many swordies. SS Banner Pulls: 3* Florina 4* Frederick 3* Serra 4* Sheena 4* Saizo 4* Donnel 5* Innes (+Atk/-HP) A 5* in only 31 orbs? Hell yeah, that's pretty lucky! I haven't been lucky in a while. I guess I'm done with this banner! I'll start saving for the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 BOO FRICKING YAH @MaskedAmpharos @Legion! @GuiltyLove @Rezzy MY FIRST EIRIKA WITH A FREE HINATA NOT TO MENTION: Spoiler So this month I got 2 5 stars. A +Atk Clair (thanks to none other than @Rezanator) and my -Atk Delthea (thanks to none other than @Rezzy) who is also +Res, giving her 29 resistance after Life and Death which isn't too bad. The Eirika I have is +HP -Def thanks to @Anacybele. It's ironic since Eirika was your first 5 star, and just when I start sacrificing to you I got one myself! She's even +HP like some of you 5 stars lol Spoiler Yes @Legion! I did this out of character because it's special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaid Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Got up to 13 orbs thanks to the new maps and tried more pulls for a better Corrin (I got 2, yes t w o -spd +res ones so far..) First set, all reds + 1 green, got 3* Bartre.. Second set 3 blues, but only enough orbs to pick 2 of them. 4* Donnel and 4* Mathilda. I'd be happy for the Mathilda since she's a unit I've been wanting, but she's +atk -spd. I hope that blue I left wasn't Corrin.. My luck's been truly abysmal this month. Used every orb we've been getting on the summer banner and have only come out with 2 -spd +res S Corrins, a -spd +res S Leo, 5* Roderick, and a 5* Catria who I already had a 5* of. This is probably some of the worst luck I've had on pulls in a long while. I just want non-bad speed Corrin at least! Edited August 23, 2017 by Alkaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mewyeon Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Tried again for Summer Corrin, ended up with a 3* F! Corrin and a 3* Shanna. My pity rate is ever increasing again XP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symphonica Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Got up to 15 orbs thanks to the new maps so did my first pull on the blade banner hoping to get one of the focuses. Free pull was a 4* Matthew who was promptly given to Nowi for Hone speed. Rest of the pull was: 3* Serra 4* Raigh 4* Boey 5* Cain Was surprised at getting Cain but he's a pretty good nature (+spd/-def) which I'm happy with. I already have Xander and Eldigan but +spd Cain reaches 35 spd I think so I can build him differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTuckingFypo Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Used the turn limit maps on the Sacred Stones banner. I got Odin and Gwendolyn.... At least they both have good natures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 ...I wasted my Turn Limit orbs. Misclicked and went to the Blade banner. Didn't even get anything good, just a Merric... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sire Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Round 71 [Nohrian Summer]: Lissa, Frederick (+SPD, -RES), 4* Clair, 4* Est, 4* AzamaRound 72 [Nohrian Summer]: 4* Sakura (+SPD, -ATK), 4* Cecilia, 5* Summer!Xander (+DEF, -HP), 5* Genny, 5* Priscilla (+SPD, -HP) Spoiler Blue = Active Duty (Good or Perfect IVs, New Desired Character)Red = Reserves (Character Merging, Skill Inheritance, Retirement) * * * * * * * * * * In my quest for Summer!Corrin, it seems I have stumbled upon some excellent heroes. Round 71 was a general full pull and I got myself a good Frederick for my troubles (I like slow characters who can get up to 29 or 30 SPD with +SPD nature, especially since I can mess around with SPD manipulation with various skills, buffs, and debuffs). Azama gave me a brief pause since he was +SPD, -HP, but I already have a +SPD, -RES Azama which is better (+SPD, -ATK would be my prefered ultimate nature for him.) Now, the second pull was a surprise story. I went into it with the mindset of doing "focus pulls," only going for Blue Orbs to get Summer!Corrin. Thing is, I ended up with 3 Greys and 2 Greens, so I just tapped a Green Orb and expected to back out of the session. I ended up getting Summer!Xander who broke my pity rate. So, since the rate is broken, I decided to pull on the rest of the orbs. I ended up getting a 5* Genny and an excellent 5* Priscilla for my troubles, as well as even pulling an ultimate Sakura. Genny also appeared when I originally attempted Focus pulls for Bride!Cordelia when that banner was live (ended up getting a 5* Jeorge and a Bride!Lyn for my focusing efforts). Maybe Genny the Sheep, alongside all of these healers, are trying to tell me something... Since I already have a Summer!Xander, I am wondering what nature is better for him. Both of my NS!Xanders have +DEF, but the bane is either -ATK or -HP. I thought about going -HP, but he does rely on skills that make use of his HP pool, which gave me pause. Any advice on this would be appreciated. Alas, my quest for Summer!Corrin will continue, but there is only a week left and my orb reserves are nonexistent. Hopefully Summer!Corrin will come home before this banner is over... * * * * *Past Pulls Spoiler Round 1 [Legendary Heroes]: Hana 3* || Hinata 3* || Gunter 3* || Felicia 4* || Sheena 4*Round 2 [Legendary Heroes]: Jegan 3* || Shanna 3* || Sakura 4* || Cain 5* || Marth 5* Round 3 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Lissa || 3* Barte || 4* Roy || 4* Arthur || 5* Camilla Round 4 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Jegan || 3* Gwyndolyn || 3* Henry || 4* Sheena || 5* RyomaRound 5 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Gunter || 3* Hinata || 3* Sully || 3* Tiki (Adult) || 4* SerraRound 6 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Shanna || 3* Frederick || 3* Barst || 4* Hinata || 4* NinoRound 7 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Henry || 3* Jegan || 3* Oboro || 3* Lissa || 4* ArthurRound 8 [Legendary Heroes]: 3* Henry || 3* Barte || 3* Florina || 3* Niles || 3* SaizoRound 9 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Serra || 4* Caeda || 4* Caeda || 4* Subaki || 4* GwendolynRound 10 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Selena || 3* Selena || 3* Robin || 3* Henry || 4* ChromRound 11 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Gordin || 4* Nowi || 4* Odin || 4* Beruka || 4* ClarineRound 12 [Deep Devotion]: 3* Subaki || 3* Cherche || 4* Jegan || 4* Chrom || 5* ChromRound 13 [Family Bonds]: 3* Cherche || 3* Viron || 4* Jegan || 4* Gwendolyn || 5* SeliphRound 14 [Family Bonds]: 3* Subaki || 3* Barst || 3* Serra || 3* Arthur || 5* EphraimRound 15A [Family Bonds]: 3* Fir || 3* Lon'Qu || 3* Azama || 4* Niles || 4* Serra Round 16 [Sibling Bonds]: 3* Hana || 4* Marth || 4* Palla || 4* Cherche || 4* KageroRound 17 [Sibling Bonds]: 3* Azama || 3* Beruka || 3* Frederick || 3* Olivia || 3* OdinRound 18 [Princesses]: 3* Gordin || 3* Gunter || 4* Palla || 4* Camilla || 5* ErikaRound 19 [Sibling Bonds]: 3* Lissa || 3* Oboro || 3* Viron || 4* Clarine || 4* HawkeyeRound 20 [Sibling Bonds]: 3* F!Corrin || 3* M!Robin || 4* Marth || 4* Azama || 5* KageroRound 21 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Donnel || 3* Beruka || 3* Nino || 4* Draug || 4* JakobRound 22 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Gaius || 3* Sophia || 4* Draug || 4* Gunter || 4* AbelRound 23 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Wrys || 3* Saizo || 4* Jeorge || 4* Viron || 4* StahlRound 24 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Sophia || 3* Serra || 4* Erika || 4* Subaki || 4* JeorgeRound 25 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Setsuna || 3* Selena || 4* Cain || 4* Chrom || 4* JeorgeRound 26 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* A!Tiki || 3* Azama || 3* Serra|| 4* Maria || 4* MatthewRound 27 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Florina || 3* Shanna || 3* Palla || 3* Celicia || 4* BerukaRound 28 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Serra || 3* Lissa || 4* Clarine || 4* Lon'Qu || 4* SelenaRound 29 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Robin || 4* Barst || 4* Eliwood || 4* Nino || 4* HanaRound 30 [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Hinata || 3* Olivia || 3* Selena || 3* Nino || 4* ArthurRound 30A [Blazing Shadows]: 3* Shanna || 3* Eliwood || 4* SubakiRound 31 [Spring Festival]: ??? || ??? || 3* Beruka || 4* Tharja || 5* Spring LucinaRound 32 [Pegasus Knights]: 3* Cecilia || 3* Lissa || 3* Shanna || 5* Peri || 5* OlwenRound 33 [Spring Festival]: 3* Sophia || 3* Serra || 3* Serra || 4* Saizo || 5* Spring CamillaRound 34 [World of Shadows]: 3* Oboro || 3* Gunter || 3* Raigh || 4* Barst || 5* ClairRound 35 [World of Shadows]: 3* Eliwood || 3* Sophia || ???4* Henry??? || 4* Sophia || 4 * BarstRound 36 [World of Shadows]: Oboro || Selena || Hana || Gaius || 4* BarteRound 37 [World of Radiance]: 3* Hana || 3* Felicia || 3* Sazio || 3* Sully || 3* DonnelRound 38 [Hero Fest]: 3* Matthew || 3*Cecilia || 4* Barte || 4* Gwendolyn || 5* Y!TikiRound 39 [Hero Fest]: ??? || ??? || ??? || 4* Marth || 4* StahlRound 40 [Hero Fest]: 3* Lissa || 3* Florina || 4* A!Tiki || 4* Barte || 4* PallaRound 41 [World of Radiance]: 3* Lon'Qu || 3* Draug || 3* Jagen || 3* Arthur || 4*CeciliaRound 42 [World of Radiance]: 3* F!Corrin || 4* Seliph || 4* Hana || 4* Effie || 5* IkeRound 43 [Rite of Shadows]: 3* Fir || 4* Catria || 4* Barst || 4* Cain || *4* LilinaRound 44 [Rite of Shadows]: 3* Selena || 3* Fir || 3* Wyrs || 3* Virion || 3* EstRound 45 [Bridal Blessings]: 3*Sophia || 4* Jagen || 4* Maria || 4* Palla || 5* SheenaRound 46 [Bridal Blessings]: Hana, Donnel, Beruka, Sophia, JakobRound 47 [Bridal Blessings]: ???, Fir, Saizo, 4* Ogma, 4* TharjaRound 48 [Bridal Blessings]: ???, Palla, Olivia, Barst, JagenFishing 1 [Bridal Blessings]: 5* Jeorge || 5* Bride!Lyn || 5* GennyRound 49 [Ylissean Summer]: Raigh, Beruka, 4* Lilina, 4* Selena, 4* KleinRound 50 [Ylissean Summer]: Azama, Laslow, Barte, 4* Laslow, 4* OgmaRound 51 [Ylissean Summer]: Clarine, Gaius, Laslow, 4* Jagen, 4* M!RobinRound 52 [Ylissean Summer]: Est, Barte, M!Robin, 4* Nowi, 4* LuciusRound 53 [Ylissean Summer]: Setsuna, 4* Seliph, 4* M!Corrin, 4* Cordelia, 4* LilinaRound 54 [Ylissean Summer]: Florina, Draug, Setsuna, 4* Barte, 4* RaighRound 55 [Ylissean Summer]: Subaki, Stahl, Hinata, 4* Adult!Tiki, 5* Summer!RobinRound 56 [Tempest Trials]: Palla, Gwendolyn, 4* Raigh, 5* Celica, 5* TakumiRound 57 [Nohrian Summer]: Draug, Wrys, Matthew, Barte, 4* KageroRound 58 [Nohrian Summer]: F!Corrin, Gwendolyn, Matthew, 4* Eliwood, 4* NilesRound 59 [Nohrian Summer]: ???, Cherche, Beruka, Frederick, 4* NowiRound 60 [Nohrian Summer]: Niles, Odin, Sazio, 4* Cherche, 4* MatthewRound 61 [Nohrian Summer]: Hana, Olivia, M!Robin, 4* Klein, 4* Mathilda (Neutral)Round 62 [Nohrian Summer]: Olivia, Serra, Gunter, 4* Boey, 5* Summer!LeoRound 63 [Nohrian Summer]: Wrys, Azama, Nino, 4* Chrom, 5* Summer!XanderFree Unit: ShannaRound 64 [Nohrian Summer]: Barst, Frederick, Frederick, 4* Clair, 4* MathildaRound 65 [Nohrian Summer]: Fir, 4* Cecilia, 4* A!Tiki, 4* Gaius, 4* CamillaRound 66 [Hero Fest]: Fir, Laslow, 4* Gaius, 4* Athena, 4* AthenaRound 67 [Tempest Trials]: Wyrs, Selena, 4* Virion, 4* Azama, 5* SonyaRound 68 [Nohrian Summer]: Barst, Olivia, Selena, 4* Lon’Qu, 4* VirionRound 69 [Sacred World]: Barst, 4* Chrom, 4* Olivia, 4* Jeorge, 4* CordeliaRound 70 [Nohrian Summer]: Olivia, Arthur, Azama, Felicia, 4* LukasRound 71 [Nohrian Summer]: Lissa, Frederick, 4* Clair, 4* Est, 4* AzamaRound 72 [Nohrian Summer]: 4* Sakura, 4* Cecilia, 5* Summer!Xander, 5* Genny, 5* Priscilla Edited August 23, 2017 by Sire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okigen Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) Dear IS, this is my 5th non-focus pull in a row... All I wanted was an Odin :s Anyway, an extra dancer isn't too bad so I'll forgive you just this time. Spoiler X Edited August 24, 2017 by Okigen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 10 hours ago, Astolfo! said: BOO FRICKING YAH @MaskedAmpharos @Legion! @GuiltyLove @Rezzy MY FIRST EIRIKA WITH A FREE HINATA NOT TO MENTION: Hide contents So this month I got 2 5 stars. A +Atk Clair (thanks to none other than @Rezanator) and my -Atk Delthea (thanks to none other than @Rezzy) who is also +Res, giving her 29 resistance after Life and Death which isn't too bad. The Eirika I have is +HP -Def thanks to @Anacybele. It's ironic since Eirika was your first 5 star, and just when I start sacrificing to you I got one myself! She's even +HP like some of you 5 stars lol Hide contents Yes @Legion! I did this out of character because it's special Congrats on getting Nino's BFF, to think you've been running Nino without Eirika all this time! I'm trying to get all my -Atk out of the way now, so the slate is clear once CYL starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 I decided to try for Seth one last time. Session had no reds. So I pull the lone green hoping it's good skill fodder rather than Amelia. But guess who came out of it? Yeah, Amelia. +Spd, -HP. Not going to bother with her unless I need to. I don't use armors. I do another session, it finally did have reds. Three of them. But still none were Seth. At least Selena and Hinata are good fodder for later though. Ogma is new too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 53 minutes ago, Rezzy said: Congrats on getting Nino's BFF, to think you've been running Nino without Eirika all this time! Ohmigosh! I know right? The crazy thing is, she still put in great work! 54 minutes ago, Rezzy said: I'm trying to get all my -Atk out of the way now, so the slate is clear once CYL starts. I bet you're going to get, like, 2 -Atk ones that you were looking for, and one with a good bane and boon that you weren't looking for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, Astolfo! said: Ohmigosh! I know right? The crazy thing is, she still put in great work! I bet you're going to get, like, 2 -Atk ones that you were looking for, and one with a good bane and boon that you weren't looking for Hah, joke's on you, I want them all. That of course means they'll all be -Atk, though. I just wanted Seth, and he's -Atk, plus my general history, e.g. needing to get 4 Titanias before I got one that wasn't -Atk or -Spd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeo Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Final summon of the month. Tempest banner, last shot at Celica or Gray. Open pool, no red stones. Pull a green. Arthur. +HP/-SPD Even. Haha.... HAHAHAHAHAHA. Bye Tempest Trials banner. You won't be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 21 hours ago, Astolfo! said: BOO FRICKING YAH @MaskedAmpharos @Legion! @GuiltyLove @Rezzy MY FIRST EIRIKA WITH A FREE HINATA NOT TO MENTION: Reveal hidden contents So this month I got 2 5 stars. A +Atk Clair (thanks to none other than @Rezanator) and my -Atk Delthea (thanks to none other than @Rezzy) who is also +Res, giving her 29 resistance after Life and Death which isn't too bad. The Eirika I have is +HP -Def thanks to @Anacybele. It's ironic since Eirika was your first 5 star, and just when I start sacrificing to you I got one myself! She's even +HP like some of you 5 stars lol Hide contents Yes @Legion! I did this out of character because it's special -Atk Delthea? D: Well, at least she can still be useful! +Atk Clair sounds great! I would use mine if she weren't -Spd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafiel's Aria Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 11 hours ago, Anacybele said: Yeah, Amelia. +Spd, -HP. Not going to bother with her unless I need to. I don't use armors. Amelia is pretty amazing. Armors can be a pain to use, but mine is also +SPD. I slapped Fury on her, and she has 51 ATK and 41 SPD. It's crazy that an armor is one of my fastest non-mage characters. And she hits pretty hard too. She may not be Seth, but that's a really good pull. Her special skill also makes armors much easier to manage. Been doing some pulls, searching for another Tharja to give Raigh Rawrblade because I'm lazy and don't want to waste feathers. lol No such luck yet. I did get a +SPD Soren though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethany81707 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rafiel's Aria said: Been doing some pulls, searching for another Tharja to give Raigh Rawrblade because I'm lazy and don't want to waste feathers. lol No such luck yet. I did get a +SPD Soren though. I got one in my Tana stuff. ...I'm really worried now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelone Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 My final chance at a focus Delthea resulted in: Odin 3*, Shanna 3*, Draug 3*(no blue) and Odin 4*. oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafiel's Aria Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 10 hours ago, phineas81707 said: I got one in my Tana stuff. ...I'm really worried now... I ended my streak with another Alm, so I think I'll leave my just be lazy and promote a Tharja the old fashioned way. Didn't check his nature. I just merged him into my +ATK -HP one. I also accidentally pulled from the swimsuit banner because I had been scrolling through checking the dates everything ended. I ended up with a +ATK -DEF Elise, so not a total waste. She's cute, and perhaps she'll prove useful later on. Dang, she'll hit like a truck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmender Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) YESSSSSSSSSSS! I was dying on the inside for missing Tempest orbs so I grinded enough to get 10 of them for a few YOLO pulls and decided to go for the summer banner because why not, there were two blue orbs and on the first one I got this: Spoiler +Atk -Res baby! It's not +Spd which would make her perfect but this is incredible too. I already have Hinoka, Minerva and Caeda (she's expensive af to build) which means I only need some blarblade+ fooder which I hope to get with the blade banner and rollout with Flier Emblem! I used the other 5 orbs to see if I could get Tana, but I got a neutral Titania (better than my -Atk +Spd and -Spd +Def ones) because no blue orbs. Edited November 4, 2017 by Alexmender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcom Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) I think my bad gatcha luck is back to haunt me again. (Or at the very least, I got too greedy) So I've been trying to get Celica from the tempest banner. Completing turn limit maps and grinding points for the tempest. While I was lucky enough to even get 2 Gray, I kept pushing myself for Celica. What did I get? Mainly 3* Raigh which has ultimately led me to 4.75% focus rate. Now that I only have 2 orbs with no way to earn more at the moment, I fear that I might not even get Innes at this rate which sucks cause I like him and his fortress res. Overall, all this orb hunting has been stressing me out. I'm at least glad that tempest trials are over. Edited August 25, 2017 by Falcom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 The most noteworthy units I summoned were: *5 Tharja (+HP-Res) *5 Genny (+Def/-Spd) *4 Klein (first: +HP/-Atk second: forgot) *4 Olivia (+Def/-Spd at least I have a dancer) *4 Effie (first: +Def/-Spd second: +Res/-Def) *4 Mae (forgot her IV) *4 Cherche (second: +Atk/-Spd one: forgot her IV) *4 Eirika (first: +Atk/-Res second: +Spd/-Def happy as I wanted her) *5 Summer Elise (first: neutral second: +HP/-Spd) *5 Innes (+Atk/-Def on my first free summon)*5 Minerva (+Res/-Spd) Also got three *5 units from two summoning session (two in one session: Minerva and neutral IV Elise). Failed to get Ninian, Azura, Delthea or Ephraim partially because I either get Est (2x or 3x don't want her) and Gwendolyn (6x in total and 2x during one summoning session). I thought I'd have more trouble with colorless than blue. Only 7 out of 16 were healers. I guess getting repeats of Gwendolyn balances my luck out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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