Super Smash Bros Universe Mafia

[Paperblade]

Prims has been subbed in for Helios, who apparently had an unforeseen crisis.

[Prims]

:words:

##Vote: BigBangMeteor for active lurking.

[Prims]

for reference, this post was made using 30ppp master race

important lines start with a bold word for convenience

Pages 1 - 3 / RVS Stuff

Talking about how RVS is a Thing that Exists is seriously the least effective way to end it. Relatedly, I don't agree with Excellen's gameplay theory at all but Excellen is a transparent as fuck player and currently bleeds town so it's okay! PS: If you're actually voting somebody on an RNG result instead of making up a contrived reason you're being anti-town (not necessarily scummy).

Early dislike on eclipse. There's a lot of pro-town fluff about what other people should be doing but I don't see her being proactive on her own. Also not fond of Naglfar dwelling on menial stuff like stages and Excellen being a badass jerk instead of posting real opinions, but find this easier to attribute to silly town than people faking pro-town stances.

Don't like BBM's #72. No actual scum reads or vote there, and if you had Marth's vote pegged as a reaction test, why would you ruin it before Blitz could respond? Actual Marth post was obviously reaction fishing and his wagon was overblown.

Fuck taking the stage system seriously I'm picking Halberd every day because it's the best one. Makes it easier to tell who picked it just to target me this way too. get at me

Pages 4 - 6 / Holy Shit You People Are Saying Too Much Without Meaning Anything

Disagree Psych is scummy for being serious early on, Subi's vote amounts to little more than a prodvote.

Levity posting more responses to gameplay theory than opinions bugs me, but isn't any worse than Naglfar. Want realtalk from her if this persists though since I checked a recent votecount and saw she had no vote down.

Psych, don't lynch over weak associative tells until one of the involved players flips scum. We don't actually know whether scum have daytalk or not either.

Banana's opinions look like "people posting a lot = town, people getting accused = scum" which is an easy way to blend in. Unimpressed, want more out of him.

Impy is doing the same active lurking shit she did that time she was scum and I was ITP Town Announcer Miller Doctor Whatever The Hell. Would policy vig.

Decided I don't trust Subieko on P6, she's doing little scumhunting but prod votes at this point (see my thoughts on Psych) and given previous games I expect more from her.

eclipse why are you fluffing up your Manix vote by attacking him for posting statistics instead of making legit points. There were also a shitton of people who echoed on the Marth wagon, singling Manix out for a voting a lesser target is a double standard.

To conclude this section, I had no fucking idea Kay was in this game until Shinori voted her. kay pls do something memorable

Pages 7 - 9 / Is This Thread Over Yet

so bbm just decided it'd be a good idea to post a bunch of weaksauce observations every now and then instead of voting scum, cool. would vig this one over Impy

Okay so I guess eclipse is just going down a list of people she can target easily whenever somebody posts an exchange with her for more than 4 posts. Seems faint-hearted and not like actual scumhunting.

I want to hear updated reads from Excellen. Like, who he thinks is the scummiest right now and whatnot. Starting to second-guess my town read on him since his activity petered out, but still not interested in lynching.

Half of Naglfar's post is reporting. Post actual priorities at the end if you're gonna listpost, thx. Null read though due to Fisherwoman's Girl flashbacks.

Subieko why did you drop your Helios vote completely without even -mentioning- him if he hadn't posted anything substantial. That was incredibly voteparky.

Also like Schoolgirl Mafia, Impy fails to provide anything original when she actually votes.

Psych's #234 and #236 are the most agreeable posts I've read all game and this isn't a sarcastic jab at him.

k I'm done sandbagging you scrubs, getonmylevel (j/k brawl isn't about skill)

tl;dr

Wagons I wouldn't support - Excellen, Manix, Marth, Psych

Wagons I would support - eclipse, Subieko, BBM, Bananas, Impy in that order

Having 5 Voteless Scum at once is a problem. People saying a lot without actually saying much are the biggest problem right now. Placing vote on eclipse cuz I think she's the most likely to be faking her posts.

##Unvote

##Vote eclipse

:further incendiary remarks!:

[Prims]

Oh, forgot I wouldn't really support a Shinori wagon either. Claim looks fine, stage system and lots of scum probably means town hijacker isn't as OP as it could be in a smaller game. Content wasn't really that bad either and a lot of the people training him are really sketchy.

[BBM]

I'm incredibly sorry that I was gone for most of today, this is me popping in for a second to say that I should be able to contribute more in an hour or two.

@Prims- I'll try to be more active contributing soon.

@Psych- What exactly about my play? If it's active lurking, okay, I'll try to fix it later. If it's something else, you not saying what it is doesn't help me defend myself, and you should have learnt from Marth's mistake not to vote without giving a reason.

[Percivalé]

I kind of don't want to spam the thread with "META THIS META THAT" but as far as I've caught up in the thread, I really didn't like the Marth wagon and I still think Psych is being Psych

[Percivalé]

I'm getting pretty good protown vibes from Naglfar and Bizz atm. However, one bit in your post confused me Bizz, so I'm not sure if you mixed people up, but why did you say that Manix was buddying up to me? While not being directly against each other, we presented quite different opinions.

Manix bothered me with the whole "BBM ISN'T ACTIVE LURKING, HE'S JUST LURKING, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING"

after draft mafia i'm not putting up with that shit anymore sorry

[Blitz]

Hey Shinori, you do realize that is a very scummy role claim, right?

I have been thinking about the Marth wagon and there is one thing that doesn't sit right, the fact that Elie participated in it (this is because I think I have an idea on how he thinks and voting Marth should not be part of his thought process for something as simple as an obvious reaction test or something simillar to that, which he should have seen easily and it sorta makes sense that Excellen and Naggy would vote for Marth for that reason IMO) and now I don't see him around making me suspicious of him. Hey Elie, get in here and explain why you voted Marth and explain your thought process too cause it feels like you don't even exist (or more like trying to keep a vote on Marth and keeping the heart off of your self by not existing) and this you could make it look good for you for either side Marth turns out to be.

Unvote

##vote:Elie

also, some guy named Proto needs to show up

[Percivalé]

in fact ##Vote: Manix because other stuff I'm going to be bringing up here soon once I'm done actually reading pages 8-11

[Percivalé]

also voting eclipse for inactivity is kind of useless because she gets busy a lot in games sometimes, but voting her for skimpy post content that contains almost 0% opinions is okay

[Prims]

I still think Psych is being Psych

psych isn't even just being psych, he's being obvtown psych, which is better

[Percivalé]

also I didn't realize I wasn't posting enough opinions that weren't related to gameplay theory but I guess reading over my few posts again they were pretty skimpy too

I fell behind a lot and would rather get done looking over things like Shinori's claim before saying stupid things

I find it kind of ironic though that my biggest town reads were probably two of the worst voters on Marth's wagon and am I the only one who didn't like that aside on Iris's post in small font? "i'm sorry do i look like i'm buddying i don't mean to be"

[Blitz]

psych isn't even just being psych, he's being obvtown psych, which is better

seems that way for now, but he should still post more, along with Kay

[Iris]

I actually really like Prims' post EXCEPT that 40 ppp is clearly superior over 30 ppp (why do you think the hosts are using it?) and Halberd is not the best stage; now on a more serious note, I'm not feeling the Bananas or Imp lynch that he is, albeit minor mentions, since (1) Bananas was subjected to being attacked by Subieko who I think is scum, unless it's some crazy D1 bus, which I doubt, and Imp's really null, since I kind of not really read Schoolgirl but I read GS a little bit, and she seemed similar.

I didn't actually notice all the active lurking going on until some people pointed out the offenders. Definitely rereading ISOing tomorrow.

[Blitz]

and after Shinori cleared himself, I'm trying to look for new leads to go off of.

what do you mean Shinori cleared himself?

he may have clarified his point, but he is in now cleared.Explain your reasoning.

[Blitz]

edit grammar

he may have clarified his point, but he is in no way cleared.Explain your reasoning.

[Elieson]

Hey Shinori, you do realize that is a very scummy role claim, right?

I have been thinking about the Marth wagon and there is one thing that doesn't sit right, the fact that Elie participated in it (this is because I think I have an idea on how he thinks and voting Marth should not be part of his thought process for something as simple as an obvious reaction test or something simillar to that, which he should have seen easily and it sorta makes sense that Excellen and Naggy would vote for Marth for that reason IMO) and now I don't see him around making me suspicious of him. Hey Elie, get in here and explain why you voted Marth and explain your thought process too cause it feels like you don't even exist (or more like trying to keep a vote on Marth and keeping the heart off of your self by not existing) and this you could make it look good for you for either side Marth turns out to be.

Unvote

##vote:Elie

also, some guy named Proto needs to show up

##Vote: eclipse because I wanna vote you.

RVS is the only way to go now! Excellen, do you have a plan?

Seriously? After all the RVS was like, put to a stop, you do out and do this?

Because let's see... part of the convo didn't involve me. Next off, I had nothing new to contribute. Whatever I would've said would basically have been already pointed out. You know, echoing.

That said, I now find it foolish to keep my vote on eclipse. Instead, I will change my vote. ##Unvote

##Vote: Blitz

Well since you are apparently incapable of even having an opinion, echoed opinion or otherwise, I thought your vote on Eclipse was silly. You unvoted, which I understand.

Then you voted Blitz. Out of fucking no where.

Bold. Exactly.

Because you had obvious reason to find Blitz, of all people, more suspicious than others. Ok...well like I said later on, unless you have some sort of hidden information, I didn't see where you were coming from.

I found him scummy, I won't say why though.

And then you do this, to further rise suspicion to yourself. At this point, if you're playing around for attention and reaction tests, it's coming in to fruition, but isn't in a good way. Why isn't it good? I'll get to that in a moment.

Yeah I don't like what you just posted right over here. Might be just me, but something to discuss.

And no you can stack votes against me if you wish.

Not a defeatist attitude like others have said, but still, just acting without caring about being lynched is rather anti-town, as you are putting your life on the line for what should be something really big. And so far, your mighty plan hasn't been hyped up as you may have wanted it to be.

Very well then, think of it as part of the RVS situation and let it continue. Its not like anything game-changing happened.

Really? After all the debate that went on above, you simply dismiss your suspicion of Blitz?

This is the main reason why I Kept my vote on you, and thought it wasn't even necessary to change it.

What you did was:

1. Vote without reason
2. Poorly come up with a reason for your vote
3. Provide anticipation to a more indepth reason that could actually justify your vote, but not actually provide that reason.
4. Completely remove the possibility of justification, and declaring your vote as RVS, and not based on anything

Which is extremely bad. Why would do this? Well, let's find out.

Ok, so I'm back and I see the thread has got another 5 pages since I last saw it.

First off it was obviously a reaction test, albeit I did find Blitz scummy for that Naglfar vote he left with and a bit of stuff he had with Naglfar( like talking about going off-topic, or maybe that post where he says he doesn't mind anyone choosing which stage he goes to, but he doesn't want to pick). All these assumptions about me are funny, because really you're going down the wrong track. I don't have any info on blitz, I never stated that I have info that none of you have, and I most certainly did not have a defeatist attitude. That was more of " Vote me if you want, but I won't give my reason." You ask why? Because we had 2 more days to go before end phase, and there's no reason for me to think I'd be lynched. I mean, really? Also why would I out why I think Blitz is scummy if he may be actual scum, would he not change his behavior? Either ways I'm outing this now because I haven't seen him do anything else except for the " he can vote me if he likes to" which I'm not sure about, but not worth keeping my vote on atm. ##Unvote

I'll need to re-read the thread because I need to read more on Subieko's and SB's posts, even Timp's. But curently, Shinori is rubbing me off the wrong way, and I mean REALLY bad. Let's see, I don't like why you're questioning me on why ' I seem to not care' because it could hint anything, and I feel like you were fishing over here for something useful to you, if you were scum. I also don't like how you started grasping about me: Look man, I have a life, I have school. I can't come immediately online and say " HEY GUYS IT WAS A REACTION TEST KAY WAS RIGHT!" I also never said I had info you don't, so really, I'd like to hear your say now.

Ahh, the big welcome back reply. Of course it was a reaction test. Your secretely justified RVS vote obviously was made to gather reactions. But you did find him scummy. You could've easily said this back like, 4 or 5 posts ago, when it was relevant to your vote, but you didn't. You kept your information secret, or hidden, or maybe you just developed it because you realized "Oh shit, people are coming after me. What do I do?!" Then Kay comes out with the thought that it's a reaction test, and Bam, there you go. It's a reaction test.

What were you trying to do? Get a reaction from only Blitz? Because with a bad vote like that and several posts later eluding to your motivation behind your vote, it makes you look like you're trying to just start shit. Which isn't helping town.

If Blitz was actual scum, he's gonna change his activity and posting habits and verbage and crap. And we'd notice, too.

Oh yeah, I also sorta encouraged votes on me. It takes good amount of thinking to get a super-huge wagon on me without being suspicious, so there's a chance we can catch mafia.

Oh yeah, I also sorta encouraged votes on me. It takes good amount of thinking to get a super-huge wagon on me without being suspicious, so there's a chance we can catch mafia.

I also sorta encouraged votes on me.

And this is just the icing on the cake.

THIS IS NOT A TOWN MOVE! THIS IS SO ANTI TOWN THAT IF ECLIPSE OR BLITZ OR ANYONE ELSE REALLY WAS SCUM, YOU JUST DIVERTED ALL ATTENTION AWAY FROM HIM BY TRYING TO FIGHT SUSPICION OFF OF YOURSELF THAT YOU YOURSELF CREATED!

There. I said it. I have no reason to take my vote off of Marth, because he has displayed time and time again that he has thoughts and motives, but unfortunately, they aren't Pro-town. Which, to me, is coming off as Anti-Town, not Dumb-Town. This was his thought out plan.

Either Marth had the most poorly thought out plan in scum-hunting history, by drawing attention to himself instead of allowing us to hunt for scum, or he had full intention of doing this, and after a day or two went by, people would vote for other players because of their reactions to you. I don't think this was a reaction test on Blitz. I think that if this was indeed a reaction test, it was fully able to draw enough attention to yourself, that everything said and done towards you would spark discussion at those remarking on your risky move.

I, however, don't see it as a wise move. As I put all of this together, it occurred to me that this happens pretty often. Early day odd behavior that often waters out and fades for another day or so, before said player does something else to rise suspicion on themselves. It makes sense to me because I've just noticed it as a trend. Look at the scorri thing in Higurashi. It just happened out of the blue, and no one that was lynchable prior to that end-of-day move was harmed at all.

It just seems too convienent. I really don't think that Marth is town, and not just because of his activities. He's normally a scummy player, (just his personality I guess), but this seems different from his usual behavior. It's a new gambit that I think was inspired by something or coaxed on to him or something or I dunno where exactly the idea came from. If Marth is indeed town, he is the least townie town I've ever seen, because of half of his moves in this thread, on D1, so far.

And that, children, is my reason behind my Marth vote.

Other scumspects include Straw, for his ridiculously late RVS vote, Shinori, for claiming even sooner than he ever has before (that I know of), in a game where he probably knows that it's not as powerful as it could be (thereby making himself not look as threatening, and giving himself time to potentially do other things), Kay, (for pulling out that Reaction Test thing that Marth may or may have not jumped on), and SB, (for coming out of nowhere with his numbers post (that I'm aware of, has already been addressed), and playing the Noob card (which you all know I did, and you all know how that turned out)).

In That Order, btw.

[Kay]

Kay, (for pulling out that Reaction Test thing that Marth may or may have not jumped on)

That was actually why I did it. Sometimes I try giving people an excuse for their actions to see if they take it too easily. The rest of Marth's post was just reasonable enough and I hadn't actually been suspicious of him before so it didn't bother me too much.

[Kay]

Also, Shinori totally blew a fuse or two in his argument about how very much he was not being jumpy and defensive and I don't like that. I don't wanna lynch him yet because Redirector is easy to prove and kinda overpowered as scum IMO, but I am extremely suspicious of him.

[eclipse]

If it wasn't for this game and something else, I'd be in bed right now. My apologies if I'm cranky as all hell, but some things need to be done.

Hey, Prims, remember that recent mafia that people got pissed off at me for pulling a stealth lynch, even though I think it was perfectly justified? My problem was not pushing certain things hard enough, and I'm doing my best to rectify that. Right now, it's deciding what my opinion of Marth is, since he thinks this is scumhunting. After seeing Elie's wall of text, and Excellen's better response, I've got four people that I don't think are too scummy and one iffy person. My opinion is that Marth is slightly scummy due to his "test", and STFU stomach.

I'll continue this when I don't have to run to the bathroom.

[eclipse]

Sorry 'bout that. I hit an amazing series of events that have turned me into a mess. I'll type until my intestines twitch again.

The reason why I think Marth is a bit more scummy than when this debacle began is because his "intentional" actions drew a lot of town attention. If Marth is mafia, he gets a free pass on his bullshit, and if he's town, then that means that he's wasting everyone's time. I don't care for Marth, but he's in the same boat as Manix - not quite scummy enough to warrant a vote, but hardly clear.

As for Manix, you don't go into D1 with the intent to mislynch, which is what that post sounded like. You go after who you think is scummiest, and hope it's not a mislynch.

I don't agree with a Shinori lynch, because overreaction is par for the course, and unlike Marth, he's not trying to justify it as some sort of fucking thought test.

##Unvote

##Vote: Subieko

Subi needs to respond to a post I made earlier this morning.

[Grace]

in fact ##Vote: Manix because other stuff I'm going to be bringing up here soon once I'm done actually reading pages 8-11

Okay, so you did this, and then? Don't leave us hanging now. I know you didn't like my "buddying" with BBM, but what else?

And Clipsey: :(

[BBM]

Sucks to hear, Eclipse. Feel better soon.

I'll respond to Prims's concerns about me. First off, I exposed Marth's reaction test because I was under the opinion that Marth was town, and the fact that he had 5 votes on him before I, or half the playerlist, had a chance to read the thread was concerning to me. Like you said, the Marth wagon was dumb and I didn't want it getting bigger. And exposing the test for what it was didn't invalidate it because it had already become useless. Like Elieson just posted, Marth had made himself look scummy enough that he had become much more the center of anything than Blitz. I thought that the best thing to do there would be to get that wagon to dissipate, and the best way to do that at that moment was to expose the test.

Next, you said that I decided to just post unnoteworthy observations instead of actually voting, and I agree that that was dumb of me and I'm not exactly sure why I did it. For some reason, I kept feeling like so many people had yet to post, so I didn't feel as if I could make a real vote. At the same time, enough had gone on with Marth that I didn't feel it right to place a randomvote either. However, by around yesterday evening, the time of my last posts, everyone had posted. The fact that I didn't feel like I had enough to go on for a real vote is troubling and means that a lot of the people who had posted at that time hadn't said anything meaningful. Therefore, I agree with what you were saying about everyone talking a lot but saying very little, so I tried to think of who it was that I felt had yet to come, and they were Eclipse and SB. Now, I can't remember when exactly SB made his first post, but reading what others have said, Eclipse actually posted before I did, before I came on yesterday morning. Now, if I thought that she was absent even yesterday morning, right after she had posted, with the thread fresh in my mind, that's a bad thing. So ##Vote: Eclipse for now. I also feel that she is normally much more aggressive as town than she is as mafia, although she is sick, so eh.

Now, the large post Elieson just made. He makes a lot of points leading up to his conclusion of Marth being scum. These points are mainly well-reasoned and I definitely agree that Marth's ACTIONS were anti-town. However, I disagree with his conclusion. People can do stupid things in an attempt to help the town and I feel like that's what Marth did. However, like I said, his argument about Marth is pretty good and begins to make me feel better. But then, that ends, and he talks about other people, and that's where his logic falls apart majorly. For Shinori and SB, his logic against them is based on refuting the things that they have done in an attempt to defend themselves, without actually saying why they're scummy. He is, therefore, arguing under the pre-set assumption that they are scum. He says that because Redirectors are not as strong early game, it is a fakeclaim designed to allow him to stay in the game longer. That's cool, but what stops it from also just being his actual role? He says SB can't use the newb card because people can be newbscum, as he was. Yes, they can be newbscum, but they can also be newbtown, so using the newb card, while not something one should do, is not a scummy thing either. So overall I'm just really confused about Elieson atm. He builds up a lot of credibility, but then throws most of it away. So he's not my #1 lynch target, but I'm definitely going to keep an eye on his posts.

[eclipse]

It means I'm not paying attention to you, or it could mean that you're not paying enough attention to the game. I know I'm not posting every other second, but I also know that I'm not the paragon of inactivity/spam.

[Kaoz]

Votals

[2] Subieko - Iris, eclipse

[0] Naglfar - eclipse, Blitz

[0] Iris - Subieko

[2] San - Shinori, Strawman

[0] Helios - Subieko, Psych

[1] SeriousBananas - Manix, Subieko

[2] eclipse - Prims, BBM Bluedoom, Strawman

[0] Cap'n Flint - Naglfar, Bluedoom, Serious Bananas

[1] BigBangMeteor - Psych, Manix, Prims

[1] Psych - San, Blitz, Subieko, StSS

[3] Shinori - Proto, Naglfar, Subieko, Folgore Pink, Blitz

[0] Daigoji Excellen - Psych, Blitz, Manix, eclipse

[1] Elieson - Blitz, eclipse

[1] Manix - Bizz, Psych, Excellen, eclipse

[2] Bluedoom - Elieson, Excellen, Manix, Shinori, Naglfar

Not voting - Folgore Pink, Bluedoom, Serious Bananas

If I listed something wrong, please let me know.

Day ends in 24 hours, 55 minutes. Remember to choose a stage for the night in your Role PMs.