Golden Sun Mafia

[Percivalé]

Okay, time to actually do something.

I'm sleepy...

[Percivalé]

Also, just one vote can be easily forgotten if a new wagon comes up, and the whole unvote thing as well.

Iunno, something doesn't seem right...

I don't like this post. It seems like Manix is trying to sound too much like he has this suspicion down; it seems forced. It's been sticking out to me since I first read it.

Other suspicions, in no particular order:

- Kay (seems mostly desperate to be helpful in some cases, and jumps at some things. ALSO THIS: )

Eclipse' date=' you usually talk more. Any particular reason for this?[/quote']

Doesn't Eclipse get busy from time to time? This is usually what I assume when she or someone else here posts less than usual (like if they're a usually active player). And Kay pushes on Ether, too, when (META) Ether usually doesn't post much anyway, yet Manix gets no heat? Maybe I'm missing something here? Yet another attempt to seem helpful. And I haven't been around as much as I would like, either, and no heat on me?

- Spike (the vote logic I guess; at first I didn't understand what was so bad about it since it sounds just exactly like something I would do, and it seems strange for Spike to go ahead and blatantly distance himself from Rapier if he were his scumbuddy, but JB's point on 'you wouldn't be blamed if he were town' is giving me a bit of a different perspective of this. Plus, he makes a big deal out of small things and presses on them and it agitates me a bit. I feel like that's what he wants.)

- Manix (for the little reason stated above, and I haven't seen him around much and bleh)

- Rapier (unusual/hostile behavior)

[Rapier]

Ok, I'm awake now. Actually, I've been awake for hours but it doesn't matter.

It's about time I give my reasoning.

I'm like torn between Rapier and Shinori. I mean Rapier's WTF reaction was pretty suspicious, but Shinori talking about strong roles and asking everyone about their Djinn seems suspicious to me. I mean why would a townie ask all the other players about their Djinn actions and talk about his own? That really makes me think Shinori is mafia, especially with all the info he wants to gather.

What's so WTF about my reaction? I've never seen someone scumhunt in C0 and everyone was trolling, so I thought about saying something too so to not look absent. That's all.

But anyway, I wonder why Rapier reacted so lol on C0. Votes on C0 don't count, and everyone seemed like they were trolling about their C0 votes(at least I thought so, until Kay pointed out her plan). Maybe he really thought a bandwagon was to occur on C1? :S

Also I guess its my first time playing a mafia on these forums( and a mafia based on a game, that too) but I hear Levity always overreacts? Explains why she's totally mad at stuff. >.>

When did I say that? I remember saying I wanted to post something in before they call me inactive and bandwagon me on C1. Also, about Levity, I don't really see it as scummy since she's always like that. =P But certainly, she's worth keeping an eye on.

Finally for those of you who think Spike is suspicious, well that's kinda weird. He looks like just another townie trying to vote someone to get a reaction or kill. I mean that's what some of us on C0 did, right? Vote for the heck of it? In fact Prims should look more suspicious since he was the one who started trying to make votes and kept changing them.(which didn't count in the first place, why the reaction people?) I kinda agree with StrawSloth here.

The problem with Spike imo is that he isn't contributing much. He gave his opinion and answered questions, but that doesn't classify him as scummy. I don't understand why he didn't vote me if he said I'm his top suspect, however. His possible fear of starting a bandwagon is kind of unsettling and I see it as a way to look good to the others.

Prims also got my attention. He's very active and it's good for the Town, right? Well, sure it is, but scumhunting at C0 is just too reckless, and a good way to mislynch since there's even less info in C0, unless being uncautious because lynching someone won't end the game is justifiable... Although I really disagree with that.

I don't see anything bad about Kay, period. She "rushed" at Spike "for voting me" because that's a way to get more info, or that's how I see it.

Bizz softclaimed or claimed or whatever around some time in this thread, but I didn't see it. Nor didn't I see why it made her clear, or half-clear, or whatever. Nor I see a good reason for "softclaiming or claiming or whatever" in C1 unless you hit the jackpot like Manix in Training Mafia.

Shinori is the worst. He asked us about our Djinns when it's clearly unfavourable, he told us that his role is strong when it's unfavourable to him revealing his role like that, he wanted specifically to know when we use our Djinns, and he's been giving odd excuses about it when he was pressed. I'm not sure if it's a newbie thing or a scum thing, but that's my best lead for now.

##Vote: Shinori

[Percivalé]

Huh, wait. If Manix were mafia, I guess Spike would have a less chance of being mafia in this case.

I should have made that post easier to read... oh well.

[Percivalé]

Prims also got my attention. He's very active and it's good for the Town, right? Well, sure it is, but scumhunting at C0 is just too reckless, and a good way to mislynch since there's even less info in C0, unless being uncautious because lynching someone won't end the game is justifiable... Although I really disagree with that.

Wait, what the fuck? There isn't even any lynching on C0. What are you talking about?

Nor I see a good reason for "softclaiming or claiming or whatever" in C1 unless you hit the jackpot like Manix in Training Mafia.

I have my reasons.

[Rapier]

Wait, what the fuck? There isn't even any lynching on C0. What are you talking about?

Never said there was. But there's lynching on C1, and first impressions count a lot.

[Rapier]

Also, which kind of reasons are you talking about?

[peener weener]

I'm really slow here

Just confirming, you idled last night, right? >_>

ok i should have worded it better

Why were you so scared to vote for Rapier, just because it would have been the second vote on him? Let's say Rapier gets bandwagon'd and dies, and he's town. In all likelihood, you won't be the one taking the blame, so you shouldn't have anything to worry about, right?

Except you went and pussied out of the vote. Your only reason (omg i might get targeted D8) for backing out is stupid, and it makes you seem overly desperate to save your own hide - Or at least it did, in my opinion.

so why didn't you

How the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I didn't want to start a bandwagon because if he died and was a townie I'd get targeted? Nice strawman, bro. I didn't even say anything that was remotely near that. Seriously. I don't even know how you pulled that out of your ass.

If he IS a townie and he dies, we just lost a man. That was my main problem with the bandwagon.

In any case, I didn't see much clarification in his post. And I see a Shinori wagon starting. I'm gonna reread all of Shinori's posts, but in the meantime, ##Vote: Rapier.

[BBM]

As for why I didn't vote Shinori until after Paperblade.

First of all, I started to make my post about Djinn before Shinori even posted, because I thought it would be useful to figure out some of the abilities that the mafia might have. Yes, the mafia might be helped by that too, but as I wasn't trying to get people to reveal what THEIR Djinn did, just what Djinn in general might do so that we could be more forewarned, I didn't see the harm in it. It took around 15 minutes to make my post because it was originally supposed to be a lot longer, and I started going into a breakdown of each Djinn before I realized that it would be pretty redundant. So I cut it down, posted, and didn't check this thread for a while. I came back, and saw all the posts I had missed, including the ones before mine, and was suspicious of Shinori. However, because Paperblade attributed something to me that I hadn't done, I tried to clear that up first. Once he unvoted me, I voted for Shinori too.

[peener weener]

Alright. I'm back.

Saying his role would be stupidly strong at one point in time was just... useless. Why would you give that away? It doesn't make much sense to me, especially this early. I'm not sure how this make him qualify as suspicious but certainly is strange, at least.

About the djinn post. Also somewhat useless. And it seemed like he was trying to make djinnclaiming look harmless, when it really is not. If the mafia knows your djinn, they basically know half your role. I didn't understand the "they were decided before the game" argument. That's right, knowing a djinn will not mean knowing if someone is mafia or not, but it does give the mafia info, and the townies useless trivia, I'd think.

Then he just started getting increasingly nervous because of the pressure, up to the post which I can barely decipher.

[Percivalé]

Also, which kind of reasons are you talking about?

... Why are you fishing?

It'll become clear in time.

[Shinori]

I already stated why i said my role was strong. I said i was attempting to bait the mafia roleblocker to me of some sort. Since I'm trying to bait the roleblock then that means I'm not really any power role such as cop, or doc, or anything like that. Basically it was supposed to be a lie in an attempt to help our doc/cop from hopefully not being hooked. Obviously that didn't work. And I wasn't really saying djinn claiming was harmless. Obviously it has it's flaws. I was speaking attempting to just to give other ideas of some sort. Obviously it's a bad idea after eclipse reminded me of some of the larger facts, such as you can't use both at once, i noticed it was a bad plan. If i'm forced to claim from the votes i will. But i doubt it will stop anything, especially since people all think i was fishing.

[Prims]

Requesting a votecount for personal convenience.

[peener weener]

Rapier: 2 (Spike, Prims)

Spike: 1 (JB)

Shinori: 4 (Meteor, Paperblade, Strawman, Rapier)

I'm pretty sure I got it right.

[Prims]

Oh. Well. How and why. Wouldn't a bandwagon be detrimental early? Because of how uncertain everything is?

Definitely not. Early wagons help us tell people's early opinions and get reactions from targets, and they can be switched around at any time via unvoting. The only potential harm is if somebody is dumb and accidentally hammers a wagon early on, but that's not a big issue if the mod posts votals and people give a warning when they put players at L-1. also thx 4 votals

Shinori - is incredibly silly, but doesn't read like scum to me. He claimed his djinn's usage is based on what he knows of other djinns. This is a nulltell since that djinn could belong to either alignment, and it's stupid as a scum gambit to learn information (in the case he's lying scum and doesn't have that djinn) because people are naturally wary of rolefishing. Dislike how he's defending himself but not trying to find a better lynch target, otherwise reading him as neutral.

Kay, Levity, eclipse - pls vote somebody

Rapier - His content post is okay. Nothing in it that screams "this person is town" or makes him stand out over the rest of the Shinori voters, but it's not as awkward as his C0 behavior, and it's better than...

##Unvote

##Vote Marth

...who offered support for both potential wagons, but commited to a vote on neither. I really, really don't trust his post. Looks like he's setting up a later jump on either wagon without taking a concrete stance now, reads as scummy waffling. Also not fond of how he's been passive-aggressively sniping at me all game with no further opinion, am I scum or not?

Spike - what's your opinion on Rapier's contentpost?

[Percivalé]

I don't know who to vote yet, give me time :c

[Shinori]

##Vote: Manix

Haven't seen him around lately, dunno if he's busy or not but i'd like to see Manix get in here and talk some more as well. Let's hear his views on the current situation.

[Kriemhild]

Requesting a votecount for personal convenience.

The opening post is constantly being edited to update the votals. Though, it doesn't use links to send you to the exact post where the person voted/unvoted

[eclipse]

Figured Rapier would make a post while I was oversleeping, and it looks like I was right. Shinori had said his piece before I went to bed, so I wanted to see what Rapier had to say about things. Then I see this:

Never said there was. But there's lynching on C1, and first impressions count a lot.

You had all of C0 to do something about your "impression". And then:

Also, which kind of reasons are you talking about?

This benefits the mafia far more than the town.

##Vote: Rapier

[Prims]

Actually posting votals in the thread is more useful for the players, though, because then they can use the votecounts on a re-read to easily tell what the votes were like at any given time without counting manually.

[Rapier]

This benefits the mafia far more than the town.

##Vote: Rapier

... No. I asked her that because it's easy to hide on that kind of excuse, but it was pointless of me since Bizz isn't that scummy to be pressed as much as I hoped.

[Iris]

Guys, I'm here~! Wow, nice activity. Sorry, went dress shopping~ I'll read the thread / post my thoughts after dinner.

[Grace]

I don't like this post. It seems like Manix is trying to sound too much like he has this suspicion down; it seems forced. It's been sticking out to me since I first read it.

What I was getting at there was that you may as well vote. Town doesn't get anywhere without managing to pry information, and vote pressure can achieve that, as has been forced unto me below. So why not vote, and then change later?

##Vote: Manix

Haven't seen him around lately, dunno if he's busy or not but i'd like to see Manix get in here and talk some more as well. Let's hear his views on the current situation.

I've been reading the thread, don't worry. But after a reread, this is what I think:

- There's a big thing about night actions. One was roleblocked, another failed. Not much that I can assume there.

- There's two wagons present, Shinori and Rapier. Both seem suspect. Although, Shinori seems to have gone for the draw roleblocking play, which inherently seems scummy. And Rapier is not exactly helping town much.

So, imma do this; ##Vote: Rapier

Also, as a note: I idled last night.

I just saw the role PM's in the first post. Twas amusing. (Go look if you haven't already!)

[Grace]

Also, busy having a birthday today, so I won't be around for a bit.

[eclipse]

... No. I asked her that because it's easy to hide on that kind of excuse, but it was pointless of me since Bizz isn't that scummy to be pressed as much as I hoped.

I doubt that both Prims and Bizz are mafia; if they are, then when one goes down, the other will follow really fast. This is hardly what I call good play. Furthermore, Bizz is drawing a lot of attention to herself, which isn't a good idea if one is mafia. I'm willing to take both on their word, for now. If night results say otherwise, I'll consider that whenever that time comes.

In other words. . .why are you trying to press her?