Kaden Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JSND said: Donnel isn't really a JOAT. 35 ATK lopsides him so much I'd argue characteristic a unit need to be JOAT is arguably to have around 31-33 Speed His other stats are pretty balanced, though. If he wasn't a villager, you could tear off 5 from his attack and he'd be sitting at 158 BST with an average stat spread. Dude's only off by 2 speed to have 31-33 speed. 29 speed is neither exceptional or bad. Just average at best. 11 minutes ago, JSND said: The closest unit to become JOAT in the game so far is like.... Camus. His only downs is lack of Res, but the guy can legitimately run all but the most specialized set on Blue Lance and Rank as #2-3 on all of them Umm, Palla? 42 HP, 31 Atk, 31 Spd, 28 Def, and 26 Res. She screams jack of all trades. Edited August 6, 2017 by Kaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 53 minutes ago, KongDude said: I have HP+/Spd- Lukas, and he's awesmoe. Honestly, with QR and Ignis, it's an instant kill to almost everything that gets to double him and is not magical. yeah Luke is awesome. I want a Luke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kaden said: His other stats are pretty balanced, though. If he wasn't a villager, you could tear off 5 from his attack and he'd be sitting at 158 BST with fairly balanced stats. Dude's only off by 2 speed to have 31-33 speed, but 30-ish speed is pretty average. Umm, Palla? 42 HP, 31 Atk, 31 Spd, 28 Def, and 26 Res. That's pretty damn balanced. Its honestly also a lowkey joke about how Camus have Distant Counter built in lol Palla/Roy kind looks closer to actual Jack, but i can't help but find them somewhat disapointing to really call them that tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 okay virion is actually really good wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Soul~! said: okay virion is actually really good wtf 31/31 offenses at neutral Makes me want to hide in a bush and beg for wings of mercy Edited August 6, 2017 by Oboro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeo Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Soul~! said: Nobody gives a shit about Res Unless you're running ploys! @JSND Interestingly enough Soren is better with the Raven tome than F!Robin. I guess it depends on the build? Boey and Merric reverse the defenses with my Soren as they are tanky but lack res but to a degree attack power as well (mostly Boey) but Soren (even at +ATK/-RES) beats them clean in attack power and res while faltering in defense, but when raven is enough to kill bowmen anyways does he really need to be a raven tank? Offensive Raven is legit isn't it?  Edited August 6, 2017 by Zeo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrosion Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, JSND said: Ryoma is a standard Dive into everything and counter with 1-2 range weapon which basically defines a standard good unit from GBA era like Marcus, Seth, and Paladin Sain Except unlike those GBA era guys, his ranged weapon never breaks, is relatively strong (11 Mt) and gives him +4 to Str just from having it in his inventory. Also in terms of join time, Ryoma comes in after Chapter 13 in Birthright and at the start of Chapter 16 in Revelation when Fates has 28 chapters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tybrosion said: Except unlike those GBA era guys, his ranged weapon never breaks, is relatively strong (11 Mt) and gives him +4 to Str just from having it in his inventory. Also in terms of join time, Ryoma comes in after Chapter 13 in Birthright and at the start of Chapter 16 in Revelation when Fates has 28 chapters. Never breaking is super irrelevant tbh FE7 Javelin pretty much costs nothing so you can easilly fit 3 Javelin on 3 character every game. The real point is really how a "unit with durability and ORKO offense and attacks at 1-2 range" is a generic good unit and those kind of units are by far the most common in GBA era Also Ryoma isn't a real chapter 13 unit for the same reason Camilla is a chapter 4 unit, i just didn't consider BoF to be an actual thing Edited August 6, 2017 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafiel's Aria Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 35 minutes ago, Soul~! said: Nobody gives a shit about Res High RES is actually kind of growing on me. XD My Summer Leo ended up with 42 RES. And he's not completely awful. It's kind of fulfilling with a Nino attacks him and does absolutely no damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaden Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 1 minute ago, JSND said: Palla/Roy kind looks closer to actual Jack, but i can't help but find them somewhat disapointing to really call them that tbh With Palla, the fact she exists as a red flyer with a stat spread like that is a blessing. Caeda would really want DC to be a good mage counter and skill inheritance in general to help her out. Otherwise, she's a weird unit with high speed and resistance, but low attack and defense with an Armorslayer. She'd mainly be there for Fortify Fliers or because you really like her. As for Roy, he's a sword infantry and there's so many of them that they're this giant blob. Kind of reminds me of Phalanx from Demon's Souls. Just a blob of swords... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Branniglenn Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Greenies need that Res so they can act as Reiny bait in the arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
property of nuvelle Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I usually don't care about Res- unless it's a high Res unit. Rip my Summer Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Oboro! said: 31/31 offenses at neutral Makes me want to hide in a bush and beg for wings of mercy Merges, son. Dude is, like, free as FUCK- in the best way possible. It's, like, the game already gives you three Virions for free. That shit is everywhere.  4*+10 Virion (+Atk) 47/36(Atk)/33(Spd)/28(Def) Then you include shit like Fury and a Brave and he's just taking names left and right. The +Spd variation can run at around 40 Spd with a stronger, single-hit bow if you're more into that, but he's also sitting at 34-35 AS with a Brave with good Atk. You'd think that'd he's absolute trash because he's free, but he's actually quite the powerhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaden Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rafiel's Aria said: High RES is actually kind of growing on me. XD My Summer Leo ended up with 42 RES. And he's not completely awful. It's kind of fulfilling with a Nino attacks him and does absolutely no damage. So jelly right now. You don't know suffering until you've experienced only having the starter red mages for 46 summons! And when that new, different red mage arrives, it's a -Atk Henry. I like Henry, but screw you, game! I'm up to 56 summons now and the only red mages that showed up were Raigh and Sophia again. If they showed up at all unlike these swords. Go away, Eliwood and Lon'qu! I have way too many Vantages and Ward Cavalries. Edited August 6, 2017 by Kaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilas Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Would Tobin couint as a JOAT? At least Palla and Roy have access to boon/banes, and have Ruby Sword/Triangle Adept to be more specialised. Tobin doesn't really have anything vanilla-wise except the situtional Armorslayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafiel's Aria Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Kaden said: So jelly right now. You don't know suffering until you've experienced only having the starter red mages for 46 summons! And when that new, different red mage arrives, it's a -Atk Henry. I like Henry, but screw you, game! I'm up to 56 summons now and the only red mages that showed up were Raigh and Sophia again. If they showed up at all unlike these swords. Go away Eliwood and Lon'qu! I have way too many Vantages and Ward Cavalries. I hope you can get him!!! I mean he's not the best mage in the world, but his stats aren't awful, and I enjoy using him. I wasn't going to pull for him until I saw his lines. They're precious...and I adore his art. The summer banner and the LaD banner were both pretty good to me. I probably won't do more than the free pulls from the Bonds banner and TT banner because I don't think there's anyone I have to have. I've got my fingers crossed for a Sacred Stones banner to pull from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrosion Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, KongDude said: I usually don't care about Res- unless it's a high Res unit. Rip my Summer Leo Yeah, I know what you mean. My Sonya is +Def/-Res which puts a damper on Res Ploy's usefulness but at least she didn't end up with -Atk or -Spd like my Gray (-Atk), Delthea (-Atk) and Saber (-Spd). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, mcsilas said: Would Tobin couint as a JOAT? At least Palla and Roy have access to boon/banes, and have Ruby Sword/Triangle Adept to be more specialised. Tobin doesn't really have anything vanilla-wise except the situtional Armorslayer What the fuck is a JOAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilas Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Soul~! said: What the fuck is a JOAT. Jack of All Trades (master of none) Also I wish I had a good Lukas, mine is -Def/+Res. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
property of nuvelle Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tybrosion said: Yeah, I know what you mean. My Sonya is +Def/-Res which puts a damper on Res Ploy's usefulness but at least she didn't end up with -Atk or -Spd like my Gray (-Atk), Delthea (-Atk) and Saber (-Spd). My Leo is also Def+/Res- lol. I had a Atk- Delthea but Julia ate her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRay Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Soul~! said: What the fuck is a JOAT. I am glad I am not the only one scratching my head. According to Urban Dictionay, it apparently stands for "Jizzing-On-A-Tree." It also means jack of all trades, so I assume that is the intended use here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafiel's Aria Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Just now, mcsilas said: Jack of All Trades (master of none) Also I wish I had a good Lukas, mine is -Def/+Res. :/ LOL! That reminds me of my +RES Eldigan...and +RES Chrom. At least Eldigan can take advantage of it with Horse Buffs and Fury. But it looks like Chrom and Lukas get to chill with that lovely 20 RES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
property of nuvelle Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, XRay said: I am glad I am not the only one scratching my head. According to Urban Dictionay, it apparently stands for "Jizzing-On-A-Tree." It also means jack of all trades, so I assume that is the intended use here. They gotta pass the time in Ram Village somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilas Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Just now, Rafiel's Aria said: LOL! That reminds me of my +RES Eldigan...and +RES Chrom. At least Eldigan can take advantage of it with Horse Buffs and Fury. But it looks like Chrom and Lukas get to chill with that lovely 20 RES. Fun fact, I got my only Chrom and Lukas in the same summon! At least Chrom had a had a fairly okay nature of -Res/+HP I seem to have this weird luck of summoning units that have a bane in their strongest stat. -Def Hector, -Res Titania, -Atk Linde... (hence most of my 5 stars are Promotions and are neutral like Askrs/GHB units) Also, just 5 starred Anna and wow Noatun's ability is beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, XRay said: I am glad I am not the only one scratching my head. According to Urban Dictionay, it apparently stands for "Jizzing-On-A-Tree." It also means jack of all trades, so I assume that is the intended use here. Tobin is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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