EvanManManMan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, Iris said: Day 4.11 - VotalsOmega. (6): Killthestory, Makaze, via, BaldrickSnike + SatsumaFSoySoy (2): Alette, EvanManManManathena_57 (1): Refa, Omega.Walrein (1): Fable Not Voting: athena_57, Beru, Snike + SatsumaFSoySoy, WalreinYou have ~54.75 hours left in the day. With 13 alive, it takes 5 to lynch and 9 to hammer. @Iris you forgot to change the numbers here. Only the votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, Omega. said: I just forgot. When I think of self-delayed/disruptive roles, I usually don't think of how kills interact with them and instead think of how other actions interfere. From my site, kills are almost never tampered with and I didn't really think about that here. Not even wolfy regardless and the logic still stands. If I get killed, sure I live another day, but I still die eventually, hopefully before endgame. Marth outing that part of his role is dumb. That said, I like how you're trying to come at me for things Marth have done and how what I have done/said are different, when you complained about people pulling that on you earlier with zeus. Actually on second thought I don't think he is telling the truth about "forgetting" the NK comment. He didn't realize that Marth had claimed that part. @Baldrick You seemed to be considering a world where this was the case. Does this make him look better or worse? I am too close to this to actually read it atp 2 minutes ago, Omega. said: Regarding the red herring, I'd say look at this setup: https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/81445-alice-in-brexitland-mafia-confirmation/ There are a bunch of doctors, a watcher, etc. I've only played one game by them, but I'd say the setup shows they have a penchant to confuse village by putting in roles that share certain characteristics just to confuse the village if they try to massclaim and/or win on rolespec. Regarding Snike, eh, I'm leaning no at the moment. I was reading him V earlier. I just want more from athena/Walrein primarily then village can make a decision. Regarding ITP kills, the people I listed are the only ones I'd kill as either mafia/ITP. Ok I'm really out for a while now, I'll be here tonight briefly but more tomorrow night cuz I'm busy AF today. I don't see a world where you claim self-delayer and self-watcher as town, though. its terribad in a game with an itp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Omega. said: I don't know, maybe someone in my pool. I say just lynch the individually wolfiest player(s) and hope for the best. I hate ITP hunting and just stick to lynching wolfy people. Really out now. this is beginning to look real but i think Omega is the type of power wolf (or itp) he is claiming me to be so I do not want to be pocketed by intelligent responses actions speak louder than words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Omega. said: Forgetting role details isn't a slip. People tried to say the same shit with Bartozio and Nightmare. How did those work out again? This. I misread my role as well. Pushing Omega for misreading his RC would also involve pushing me for similar reasons. This is completely ignoring the previous examples of those who did this flipping town as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Like claiming it at all is very bad i do not see a world where marth doing this is good for the town think about it. as town, marth has every reason to never claim invite the nk and claim his watcher result this slot has to be itp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, EvanManManMan said: This. I misread my role as well. Pushing Omega for misreading his RC would also involve pushing me for similar reasons. This is completely ignoring the previous examples of those who did this flipping town as well. i mean yes i am genuinely believing it but think about what I just said (post above) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Makaze said: this is a bad post just saying That's my genuine thought process. If you're asking specifically for a name then I guess Walrein because I have no reason to think otherwise. Beru is being bad by not giving content so I wouldn't eliminate them. You also seem to be convinced that Snike should be lynched today despite having very wishy washy thoughts and not voting them so you are a candidate as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, EvanManManMan said: That's my genuine thought process. If you're asking specifically for a name then I guess Walrein because I have no reason to think otherwise. Beru is being bad by not giving content so I wouldn't eliminate them. You also seem to be convinced that Snike should be lynched today despite having very wishy washy thoughts and not voting them so you are a candidate as well. technically i was hoping there was a vig to explain what is happening and they could be on Snike but forgoing that i think lowering kill power is more important lynching snike makes the most sense for solving i am willing to go with my confirmed village if they prefer to lynch mafia, but we will 100% not see a kill within this PoE if omega is itp hes not that stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) Realistically I think that Walrein is not solving the game they're just town and nothing can sway me on that lynching there also does not help solve the game in any way vigging them would be acceptable if there were no better targets, so you'd be fine to shoot there if you had bet correctly another potential good point for leaving omega is it gives you more chances to predict and a better vig kill and there are no protectives left so id like to hear who you'd vig before that happens Edited April 22, 2018 by Makaze pronouns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 @Killthestory care to comment on Omega's recent content and how you read it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Makaze said: Realistically I think that Walrein is not solving the game hes just town and nothing can sway me on that lynching there also does not help solve the game in any way vigging him would be acceptable if there were no better targets, so you'd be fine to shoot there if you had bet correctly another potential good point for leaving omega is it gives you more chances to predict and a better vig kill and there are no protectives left so id like to hear who you'd vig before that happens It was stated that when a faction is eliminated it is announced If Snike is the last mafia I would shoot Omega If Snike is mafia and mafia still remains I would shoot Walrein If Snike is ITP then I still probably shoot Walrein If Snike is town I'm shooting you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Makaze said: Like claiming it at all is very bad i do not see a world where marth doing this is good for the town think about it. as town, marth has every reason to never claim invite the nk and claim his watcher result this slot has to be itp i just want to point out how ridiculous it is that no one caught this including me this claim is patently anti-town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, EvanManManMan said: It was stated that when a faction is eliminated it is announced If Snike is the last mafia I would shoot Omega If Snike is mafia and mafia still remains I would shoot Walrein If Snike is ITP then I still probably shoot Walrein If Snike is town I'm shooting you. Fair. Your shot on Omega would be delayed though EvilManManMan is back to EvanManManMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I take back what I said that logic is perfect and theres no way you would make it as mafia same argument as me re: restrictive PoE and clear objectives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanManManMan Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Makaze said: I take back what I said that logic is perfect and theres no way you would make it as mafia same argument as me re: restrictive PoE and clear objectives What are you taking back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Just now, EvanManManMan said: What are you taking back? My read of that post being bad. It didn't overrule the role reasoning and other stuff but I called out the ping because it pinged me. I think it was just word choice now. You can't post that kind of list as Mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Waiting on @athena_57 more than anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 If you haven't noticed my paranoia has reached god levels with that Arc lynch Going to hard veto myself and say that I am sticking to my reads until the flip. Omega/Snike (Kill ITP strategically?) > Kirsche/Athena (depending on his flip. if snike is town athena looks worse. if snike is scum kirsche does) i was so shook by that weapons post that i argued with the mods about death godfather i am never trusting his slot again, vig every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Based on the known powers of this town (incredibly weak) and the known powers of the scum I believe we are in a 4/1/17 game, and snike is the last one so im confident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 In particular, mafia had shinori shinori had not only his own personal strongman kill but any person he gave an item to could be strongman'd at once. he was mafia strongman plus unstoppable arsonist that is way too much kp for a 5 man team, even with an itp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 On that note anyone who ever shaded Shinori should be hardclear, especially because all of the flipped scum townread him, and they killed,, janitored and shaded BBM in thread the instant he cased Shinori I think the only person who did that was BBM and Omega And that just means Omega is not mafia, which we know gg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) On 4/11/2018 at 4:02 AM, Walrein said: for future reference: my pronouns are they/them (no worries, those of you who didn't realize this) really like refa's read on weapons via/eclipse solidifying my townreads on them nate's intro post is really thin and i haven't decided if it's disinterested town after a prod or disinterested scum in general. i do get decent tonal vibes from his "sheep me" post agree that refa feels more detached from usual but like... i really like his reads. if he isn't town i'll be sad :( having trouble getting a bead on junko/kirsche/shinori. hopefully will get to directly interact with them at some point zeus has balls if he's mafia. athena's posting got... better? maybe? i need to reread it. weapons could be scum (definitely sheeping refa's read here lmao) think i'm still hovering around a very weak townlean on bbm. another slot i need to reread. fable read hasn't changed since my last post everyone else needs to post more Been searching all posts that mention Shinori and this came up this post looks very bad on Walrein @Refa found some evidence. this is scum walrein, based on their weird questioning of their own athena read and they never go on to directly interact with ANY of the three people still looking if i am actually wrong about them i am going to apologize to everyone, i am very sorry for wasting your time Edited April 22, 2018 by Makaze pronouns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Omega. said: I'm asking you because you've seen me wolf here before. Do you think I ever kill Shinori, Kaoz, or Mackc? LMFAO! I would have killed you or Fable without question, literally nobody else. I don't actually think you're scum. Also sorry if I didn't answer any questions directed at me, I had to go through like 50 posts. 31 minutes ago, Makaze said: On that note anyone who ever shaded Shinori should be hardclear, especially because all of the flipped scum townread him, and they killed,, janitored and shaded BBM in thread the instant he cased Shinori I think the only person who did that was BBM and Omega I cased Shinori in my post where I reread the entire game, then forgot to respond to his defenses gg. 19 minutes ago, Makaze said: Been searching all posts that mention Shinori and this came up this post looks very bad on Walrein @Refa found some evidence. this is scum walrein, based on his weird questioning of his own athena read and he never goes on to directly interact with ANY of the three people Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) On 4/9/2018 at 9:29 PM, Walrein said: ##Vote: Refa no u hot take: from a setup spec standpoint i think the hydra slot is more likely to be town than scum either pocket on snike or w/w pre-remptive defense On 4/10/2018 at 3:28 AM, Walrein said: i'm not considering scum/town hydra an option barring in-game circumstances pointing to that as likely; the fact that they were explicitly confirmed as the same alignment/role (basically the same slot) would make such a twist INCREDIBLY bastard and i'd probably kill sb myself @BBM i was, in fact, primarily referring to elie; his "you fail to consider a lot, sir!" followed by... not actually mentioning what i (in his eyes) failed to consider was pretty frustrating @athena_57 i think i can help with the endeavor you strive for ##Unvote ##Vote: athena_57 On 4/10/2018 at 3:29 AM, Walrein said: that's not a joke vote, by the way. brownie points to the first person to figure out the reasoning behind it. walrein/athena never w/w On 4/9/2018 at 9:35 PM, Walrein said: it boils down to the fact that i can think of a lot more balance-related reasons to compress a townslot than to compress a scum slot they're responding to jb here. literally the only interaction they have with jb, where jb asks them why they townread it based on meta. i think this makes snike/walrein/jb look very possible On 4/10/2018 at 12:45 PM, Walrein said: this post feels overexplainy need a temp check is athena always overexplainy or am i onto something more athena shading On 4/10/2018 at 1:06 PM, Walrein said: that said the fact that he's new dilutes the read a bit because it's also a new player thing to do shrug emoji waffles only very slightly at meta doesn't change vote On 4/11/2018 at 1:46 AM, Walrein said: i have the mildest of townleans on fable rn if nothing else he's never the d1 lynch here the way they emphasized here plays into their prepared rhetoric style from the game Refa linked. this isn't a genuine read. they're playing it up On 4/11/2018 at 4:02 AM, Walrein said: for future reference: my pronouns are they/them (no worries, those of you who didn't realize this) really like refa's read on weapons via/eclipse solidifying my townreads on them nate's intro post is really thin and i haven't decided if it's disinterested town after a prod or disinterested scum in general. i do get decent tonal vibes from his "sheep me" post agree that refa feels more detached from usual but like... i really like his reads. if he isn't town i'll be sad :( having trouble getting a bead on junko/kirsche/shinori. hopefully will get to directly interact with them at some point zeus has balls if he's mafia. athena's posting got... better? maybe? i need to reread it. weapons could be scum (definitely sheeping refa's read here lmao) think i'm still hovering around a very weak townlean on bbm. another slot i need to reread. fable read hasn't changed since my last post everyone else needs to post more already said why this is bad On 4/14/2018 at 5:47 AM, Walrein said: snike's probably town for jumping on nate's perceived scumslip the way he did that said i don't think it was actually a slip more snike/wal interacts. could go either way imo On 4/14/2018 at 6:06 AM, Walrein said: ok let's start with some piles --confident town-- eclipse Refa Snike Via --less confident town-- BBM Bibbon Fable Shinori SullyMcGully --null-- everyone not listed --wolfy-- Marth Mackc2 zeus_12 my first and biggest problem with this list is that my nullpile is too big. i'll probably need to reread d1 to get anything resembling a read on the people in that pile (cause people like kirsche junko jb etc haven't made more than like 2 posts d2) my thoughts on the co-neighborizer thing is that while there's no guarantee that both are town, i think it's incredibly unlikely that neither is town; hence, i'm pretty damn sure Refa's town (and i probably would be even if he hadn't have claimed) explicitly townreads shinori without citing anything. they have literally quoted or commented on bosts by all the other townleans. shinori read comes out of nowhere. this is the worst thing so far On 4/14/2018 at 6:10 AM, Walrein said: oh i guess put satsuma in the confident townpile thank you snike and thank you hydras this post is bad im not sure why the entire scumteam decided to conspicuously townread snike if walrein flips scum that will be 4/4 flipped scum town reading him without real reasons out of the gate too. this is a definite intentional move by the mafia, whether he's town or not On 4/14/2018 at 6:15 AM, Walrein said: ok so nate's actually a decoy good to know this changes things tho fuck gotta rethink scummy af the "gotta rethink" stuff is always a terrible buffer for "let me think of how this can possible still be cased". if they were town theyd just townread it immediately. this is lazy walrein On 4/18/2018 at 5:31 AM, Walrein said: just from looking at this page: alette not making much sense is a ~decent look (somewhat of a memetic read but it's more accurate than it has any right to be) makaze hard defending my lazy ass when i have a known rep for flaking as scum is probably a good look unless they've got buddies planning on hard pushing a lynch on me (good luck) to reap the ensuing towncred from "oh look i was right walrein was town all along" this is an attempt to pocket and tmi if they were mafia he'd be suspecting me for the same thing On 4/18/2018 at 5:35 AM, Walrein said: i'm probably not going to do any work tonight - i much prefer when people are here and i have literal work tomorrow so we'll see have tomorrow night goes i really would like to establish a foothold back into this game but it's been Hard when i've missed so many posts due to work (and, let's be real, league of legends) + half the game has subbed out (a problem i'm trying very hard not to contribute to!) things i'd like to do: -case jaybee -reevaluate my townreads on some slots that have subbed -glance for any easy townreads from the new subins i basically haven't read anything since last time i posted so i don't exactly have update reads for you all but i'm going to make an attempt to remedy that over the next couple of days unless somebody posts before i go to bed, walrus out says they'd LIKE to case jb we know they never will because this is lazy rein they were obviously going to sheep someone else On 4/19/2018 at 5:15 PM, Walrein said: this can die this is how i re-enter the thread as scum they have been shading this slot the whole game but seems to have forgotten about it and the opportunism hurts snike/walrein is my final read if there are 5 mafia Edited April 22, 2018 by Makaze pronouns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaze Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) i am still not certain we should lynch them but if the town is convinced we should leave the itp i am down for it my tone read on walrein is gone and i should have kept reading their iso for associations Edited April 22, 2018 by Makaze pronouns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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