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[MaskedAmpharos]

1 minute ago, Extrasolar said:

I know people that have gotten like 4 Gwendolyns... But...that armor movement...just so painful.

 

M!Robin is...okay, imo. He's very high on the tier list, but I just don't see him able to compete with the likes of Klein (unless I'm using him wrong or something). He's just okay in everything. Okay attack, okay speed, okay defense and such. Bonfire does help him out and there's Defiant Speed to let him possibly double, and I guess his advantage over colorless units are a thing, but... Julia and Tharja have far higher attack, for example.

I'm still training him as an off-tank that can deal decent damage, but I've never been all too impressed by him.

Robin is admittedly mediocre in a vacuum. Most of his strength comes from the fact that he's a good counter to the current red/Takumi-heavy meta. Also, while I agree Julia and Tharja are better overall, Julia is a lot more difficult to get than Robin, and Tharja requires you to build a team around her to optimize her usage whereas Robin is pretty self-sufficient. 

[Eleanore]

2 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Oh, I thought Robin was one of the base possible 5 stars. But even so, I'm not changing my decision. People really need to stop telling me to (not that you're doing this, I'm just saying).

Oh no, If you like Frederick that much you should keep him. One day when they are released I will make a team of Ike, Mist, Titania and Soren and I won't care if that is not A-list.

I just thought Robin was a 5* base too until I got him as a four star and checked the availability. 

[Anacybele]

Also, Freddy benefits from high movement since he's got a horse. He can escape a lot of things if he takes a hit. He also has Wings of Mercy (keep forgetting about it though) to help him get out of danger. If you have a healer, that's even better. Make him rush to a healer and fix himself up.

The fact that cavs can't move through forested areas sucks though. It doesn't make sense to me when they could do that just fine in other FE games.

[Thor Odinson]

Wrys is honestly one of the most legit healers you can get. Wasn't really a fan of his character either, but I used him because he was my only healer for a while and dropping the feathers to get him to 4* is well worth it. Rehabilitate is hella powerful and he can even . You got 1 HP Ryoma? Nah, 41 HP now. Tank away~~~

I have Lachesis now (who I am a fan of, character wise) and I'm using her as my babysitter healer bc Wrys is lv 40 and she isn't but as a unit I much prefer just how much Wrys can heal. Lissa can also do a similar thing though and is also free, except she'll boost atk every other heal instead of doing a team heal. 

I like Robin since he has really good synergy with how I play Ryoma, who I tend to base my teams around--he can take care of some stuff Ryo doesn't like dealing with (Effie, for example) and also boosting his defense, especially since I use Ryoma as an EP Takumi remover and off-tank in general, while Ryoma helps out his speed without him having to take damage.

Recently I've switched to using Nino though--one thing I am kinda excited about with the skill inheritance thing is if i can actually switch off threaten speed on Takumi with fortify def or something to complete my team setup--and she works extremely well with Ryo. Ryoma boosts her up to ridiculous speed levels and gives bonuses to her Gronnblade and she removes basically all of Ryoma's threats easily. Oneshotting Linde and Nowi is some of the most satisfying things I've done.

[Extrasolar]

3 minutes ago, MaskedAmpharos said:

Robin is admittedly mediocre in a vacuum. Most of his strength comes from the fact that he's a good counter to the current red/Takumi-heavy meta. Also, while I agree Julia and Tharja are better overall, Julia is a lot more difficult to get than Robin, and Tharja requires you to build a team around her to optimize her usage whereas Robin is pretty self-sufficient. 

Yeah, I was lucky enough to get 5* Julia on my second ever pull. She's my highest-level unit at the moment, just because she tends to one-hit kill most things. Tharja does require setup, but lots of good units also have good support skills, so I don't think it's as much of a weakness as people often attribute it to being.

It' just that most of the really good units in the game are specialists, with stats skewed one way or the other. All-arounders like Robin and Stahl suffer for it.

[Elieson]

1 minute ago, Extrasolar said:

Julia

Julia is Love, Julia is Life.

 

I'm going to play SNES FE just so I can attempt to appreciate her more

[Galactaray]

Using Fury is similar to using a life orb in pokemon, you'll be in trouble if you don't get a KO and adding Fury may or may not help. Furies usage is probably best in short matches or with a healer. Not a huge fan of it but it helps for BST scores in arena which is something that's always rather useful. 

The rest of the game is rather F2P friendly so I somehow hope that skill inheritance will be as well but it'll just devolve into a mess where anyone with a unique weapon is OP and everyone else is trying to catch up, sort of like that already. 

[Arcanite]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

No thank you. For one thing, Frederick cannot be pulled as a 5 star while Robin can. And for another, Frederick is my favorite of all the units I have. I'm not a competitive player and I prioritize favorite units.

Effie is not the only armor in the game, dude. Heck, she's not even the only lance armor (Gwendolyn exists you know). Frederick can do a lot of damage to pretty much any of them with his hammer. Give him def boosts from someone like male Robin or Jagen, which I'm doing now, and he can barely be scratched by anything that's not a mage. Mages will wreck him, but every unit has a weakness.

And by your logic, Robin is only good for Takumis and some red units. His res and speed are low too. He'll get doubled by a lot of things and mages will deal a lot of damage to him too. He has decent defense, but there are better defensive tanks out there.

Like Frederick. He's also not that slow, actually. He's about the same speed as male Robin, in fact.

Frederick is that slow. He gets doubled by the vast majority of reds in the game, which is also one of your issues. Robin at mid is also faster than Fred with a speed boon. But if you want to 5 star freddy go for it, just remember that until Robin reaches particularly high levels, you're still going to struggle against reds.

[Extrasolar]

Just now, Elieson said:

Julia is Love, Julia is Life.

 

I'm going to play SNES FE just so I can attempt to appreciate her more

Haha.

Right... She obliterated things effortlessly until the AI started cheating got harder on higher levels. Even though I gotta be more careful with her now, she's still a beast.

And appropriately I stuck her on a team with my 5* Seliph for a while. Continuity, and all of that.

Still holding out for 5* Julius with Loptyr so I can put them on the same team for delicious and twisted irony

[MaskedAmpharos]

1 minute ago, Extrasolar said:

Yeah, I was lucky enough to get 5* Julia on my second ever pull. She's my highest-level unit at the moment, just because she tends to one-hit kill most things. Tharja does require setup, but lots of good units also have good support skills, so I don't think it's as much of a weakness as people often attribute it to being.

It' just that most of the really good units in the game are specialists, with stats skewed one way or the other. All-arounders like Robin and Stahl suffer for it.

Congrats on the Julia :D I have her as well, and she's been an amazing asset to my team!

Yeah, I agree that the buffs aren't as difficult to get as people make it out to be, but another thing to consider is that Tharja and Robin fill different niches. Tharja is more of a squishy nuke on player phase while Robin is a lot better at soaking up hits (especially from Takumi, which Tharja can't safely do) and firing back on enemy phase. Also maybe having Tharja would overload your team with red if you happened to need more blue. 

All-rounders tend to not be great in games like these unless they have something else to compensate for their stats. Let's face it: Takumi without Close Counter would be pretty mediocre as a unit compared to other archers as his overall stats aren't anything to write home about. 

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, Arcanite said:

Frederick is that slow. He gets doubled by the vast majority of reds in the game, which is also one of your issues. Robin at mid is also faster than Fred with a speed boon. But if you want to 5 star freddy go for it, just remember that until Robin reaches particularly high levels, you're still going to struggle against reds.

Nope, Frederick's not that slow. Mine has 18 speed at lv. 34. Male Robin has 22 spd at lv. 30. And neither get many spd level ups. Not that big a difference. And I have several lance users I could throw in a team with Frederick. It's not like I try to put him against red units either.

And btw, he just wrecked one for me. He won't always struggle against them.

[Extrasolar]

2 minutes ago, MaskedAmpharos said:

Congrats on the Julia :D I have her as well, and she's been an amazing asset to my team!

You too! Needless to say, I was surprised that I got a beast unit on my first ever try. All in all, I'd say the game was being kind to me that day. Lol.
 

3 minutes ago, MaskedAmpharos said:

Tharja is more of a squishy nuke on player phase while Robin is a lot better at soaking up hits (especially from Takumi, which Tharja can't safely do) and firing back on enemy phase.

True. I field Robin when I don't feel like getting one-shot by anything. Works out pretty well.
 

1 minute ago, MaskedAmpharos said:

All-rounders tend to not be great in games like these unless they have something else to compensate for their stats. Let's face it: Takumi without Close Counter would be pretty mediocre as a unit compared to other archers as his overall stats aren't anything to write home about.

Yeah. And that's the biggest problem. A lot of the skillsets they chose for the all-around units just aren't all that useful, so those units end up perma-benched and overlooked for specialists that do their job way better. Would be nice if they got some buffs in the future to make them more viable.

[Anacybele]

Why does my previous post keep getting put in my post box? I'm tired of having to clear it.

Anyway, looks like Sanaki is as broken and OP as Takumi. She one-shots nearly anything. Her voice sounds too old too, imo.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Anacybele

[MaskedAmpharos]

6 minutes ago, Extrasolar said:

Yeah. And that's the biggest problem. A lot of the skillsets they chose for the all-around units just aren't all that useful, so those units end up perma-benched and overlooked for specialists that do their job way better. Would be nice if they got some buffs in the future to make them more viable.

The issue with balancing all-rounders is that, well, their stats are pretty well-rounded. If you buffed their stats overall, they'd turn from units that are mediocre at everything into units that are good at everything, and if you buffed just a few stats and not others, they would no longer be all-rounders. The best solution I can think of is to just give them some kind of niche with a unique skill (like they did with Takumi but not as broken). 

M!Robin actually strikes me as a pretty well-designed all-rounder in that regard as he isn't particularly powerful or weak, but his WTA against colorless gives him a place in the meta. 

Edited March 8, 2017 by MaskedAmpharos

[NoirCore]

4 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Why does my previous post keep getting put in my post box? I'm tired of having to clear it.

Anyway, looks like Sanaki is as broken and OP as Takumi. She one-shots nearly anything. Her voice sounds too old too, imo.

Her voice? I disagree, I think Erin Fitzgerald did a fine job voicing Sanaki. As a VA, she's got great vocal range with what she's done; then again, she's been at this for a long while. :P

[Arcanite]

1 minute ago, Anacybele said:

Nope, Frederick's not that slow. Mine has 18 speed at lv. 34. Male Robin has 22 spd at lv. 30. And neither get many spd level ups. Not that big a difference. And I have several lance users I could throw in a team with Frederick. It's not like I try to put him against red units either.

And btw, he just wrecked one for me. He won't always struggle against them.

Obviously he won't because, although he is slow, he is super thick in terms of defense. And then Robin has spur defesne too so you got it good with that. Just remember that when you 5 star him, your arena stat total will go up so you're only going to fight harder opponents. Less healers, more takumis, and a lot more reds lol.  If your fred is level 34 with 18 speed I'm assuming he's bane speed, unless he can gain 5 speed in 6 levels. He better be boon defense otherwise he's gonna get doubled even worse :/

[MaskedAmpharos]

5 minutes ago, Arcanite said:

Obviously he won't because, although he is slow, he is super thick in terms of defense. And then Robin has spur defesne too so you got it good with that. Just remember that when you 5 star him, your arena stat total will go up so you're only going to fight harder opponents. Less healers, more takumis, and a lot more reds lol.  If your fred is level 34 with 18 speed I'm assuming he's bane speed, unless he can gain 5 speed in 6 levels. He better be boon defense otherwise he's gonna get doubled even worse :/

On the bright side, if you get even farther up in Arena, not only do healers disappear entirely, even Takumi is extremely rare (unless it's a merged one)! Instead, there'll be armors everywhere, with AT LEAST ONE Hector and/or Effie every single match, so Frederick actually becomes more valuable then, assuming you can get that high up. Granted, that's with a base stat total of 705 on my team (for reference, that's an Arena score of 4.6k-4.7kish assuming deathless 7-Advanced run), so if you don't have any 5*s yet it'll be quite a while before you get that high up. 

[Anacybele]

12 minutes ago, Arcanite said:

Obviously he won't because, although he is slow, he is super thick in terms of defense. And then Robin has spur defesne too so you got it good with that. Just remember that when you 5 star him, your arena stat total will go up so you're only going to fight harder opponents. Less healers, more takumis, and a lot more reds lol.  If your fred is level 34 with 18 speed I'm assuming he's bane speed, unless he can gain 5 speed in 6 levels. He better be boon defense otherwise he's gonna get doubled even worse :/

As a matter of fact, he is boon defense. ;) I'm also boosting him with Robin and Jagen. Things barely scratch him.

Robin's defense is still a lot lower. Frederick has 31 defense right now while Robin has 21. Robin is now lv. 31 as well. Jagen also has better def than my Robin at 23 def at the same level. ...Palla has one point more of def as well! Though she's lv. 34 like Freddy.

Finally got a seven win streak, but the score is too low to be ranked. I figured as much too. I had a score of like 2800 once and it still wasn't ranked. How high to you have to get to be ranked?

Edited March 8, 2017 by Anacybele

[Arcanite]

Just now, Anacybele said:

As a matter of fact, he is boon defense. ;)

Robin's defense is still a lot lower. Frederick has 31 defense right now while Robin has 21. Robin is now lv. 31 as well. Jagen also has better def than my Robin at 23 def at the same level. ...Palla has one point more of def as well! Though she's lv. 34 like Freddy.

Lol he's actually boon defense? I guess I'm psychic. So it works out perfectly then.

7 minutes ago, MaskedAmpharos said:

On the bright side, if you get even farther up in Arena, not only do healers disappear entirely, even Takumi is extremely rare (unless it's a merged one)! Instead, there'll be armors everywhere, with AT LEAST ONE Hector and/or Effie every single match, so Frederick actually becomes more valuable then, assuming you can get that high up. Granted, that's with a base stat total of 705 on my team (for reference, that's an Arena score of 4.6k-4.7kish assuming deathless 7-Advanced run), so if you don't have any 5*s yet it'll be quite a while before you get that high up. 

I actually see more takumis and reds than hectors and effies. I have 2 fives and 2 fours so that's probably why. Not to mention the retarded bonus characters I have to carry to get bonus points in the first place. 

[Anacybele]

Just now, Arcanite said:

Lol he's actually boon defense? I guess I'm psychic. So it works out perfectly then.

Yup.

So, how high a score to you need to get ranked in the arena? Nobody's answered that for me yet... xP

I only managed 2300-something for my score this time... I hope I get some defensive scores again too.

So far, I actually only get 1200 feathers from the arena + 900 from the gauntlet and that's still not 2500 total. It's 400 short.

[dragonlordsd]

3 minutes ago, Arcanite said:

Lol he's actually boon defense? I guess I'm psychic. So it works out perfectly then.

I actually see more takumis and reds than hectors and effies. I have 2 fives and 2 fours so that's probably why. Not to mention the retarded bonus characters I have to carry to get bonus points in the first place. 

Yeah, it depends really heavily on what you're using. I almost always see either Hector or Effie. The bonuses they give are really solid. Ten or twenty more points makes a huge difference in the global rankings.

@Anacybele Here's the trick:

1. Use all 5 stars

2. Use as many lvl 40 units as you can.

3. Always pick "advanced."

By doing this, you should usually get between 500-600 medals every round, sometimes more if you're lucky. This means you should get somewhere between 3500-4200 without bonuses.

Bonuses will help you a little bit, and ensure you stay above 4000, which should be enough to get you ranked.

Remember that rankings take a while to update, so it may say "unranked" until the next day.

Edited March 8, 2017 by dragonlordsd

[Anacybele]

Also guys! Better hope you get teamed with focus characters in the gauntlet. I was given an Olwen and KOing people with her got me 20 blue great badges! Using those characters in the gauntlet counts toward the focus quests!

Thank you whoever gave me Olwen! I'll use those to upgrade Sharena to 5 star in the future. Though getting another 20000 feathers won't be easy...

[Robert Stewart]

2 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Yup.

So, how high a score to you need to get ranked in the arena? Nobody's answered that for me yet... xP

I don't know the exact number but you need around 4k at least in offense to even rank at all.

[Anacybele]

Just now, Robert of Normandy said:

I don't know the exact number but you need around 4k at least in offense to even rank at all.

That sounds impossible, wtf? I mean unless you win seven straight advanced battles or something.

[dragonlordsd]

Just now, Anacybele said:

That sounds impossible, wtf? I mean unless you win seven straight advanced battles or something.

I edited my post to tell you how.

Sorry, took me a sec to type it up and I didn't want to double post.