Rezzy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: I hear from the other thread that bubbles appear when Corrin uses Dragon Fang. Or something like that. I'm also not completely convinced that Dark Breath is related to dark magic and Light Breath is related to light magic, mostly because you'd think they'd also have Wind Breath if they were following that theme to the T. That's literally irrelevant, though. Whether you are or aren't a divine dragon doesn't matter. It's whether you transformed into a divine dragon or not. Raven can choose to equip a sword or an axe. If he equips a sword, he is red. If he equips an axe, he is green. Actually, Xander might be a better example because he can actually have a sword or a lance or an axe in this game. In the same way, Tiki can transform into a fire dragon or an ice dragon or a divine dragon or any other type of dragon that you can obtain a dragonstone for in her games. Fire dragons are clearly red, ice dragons are clearly blue, and divine dragons appear to have been chosen to be green. And Rebacca is misspelled. I don't know if it was a legitimate mistake or they were trying to look cool or what, but they decided to spell his name "Kain". Aura is light magic. Therefore blue. Naga is a divine dragon. Therefore green. You can't just look at magic in a vacuum because you lose helpful hints from other sources. See above. I'm not convinced Dark Breath has anything to do with dark magic. Idenn and Mediuth are the only dragons in the main series that use Dark Breath to my knowledge, and neither of those counted as dark magic. I think anyone can see your list is contrived. Red to be weak to thunder. And strike instead of breath to deal physical damage and be in line with the other Laguz. Divine and Light Magic should be the same color, since both are holy/divine/light. 1 minute ago, Tybrosion said: Except it kinda isn't. You said at the beginning of this that Nils has to be blue because of the type of dragon he is (Ice) but at the same time you're OK with Tiki being red despite that clashing with the type of dragon she is (Divine). Don't you see the disconnect here? My past point was that you can make an argument for the dragons being their current color, but can just as easily make the argument for them being a different color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 I'm telling you people, it's their clothes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Johann said: I'm telling you people, it's their clothes! As convincing an argument as any. Really, their mistake was giving adult Tiki Lightning Breath, which is the most egregious outlier from the established categorization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Tybrosion said: Except it kinda isn't. You said at the beginning of this that Nils has to be blue because of the type of dragon he is (Ice) but at the same time you're OK with Tiki being red despite that clashing with the type of dragon she is (Divine). Don't you see the disconnect here? That's because all non-Akaneian dragons that I am aware of only have one dragon form. Tiki is the only dragon in the series to be able to canonically use multiple types of dragonstones and can therefore become different types of dragons. A fire dragonstone changes her into a fire dragon. An ice dragonstone changes her into an ice dragon. A magic dragonstone changes her into a magic dragon. A flying dragonstone changes her into a flying dragon. A divine dragonstone changes her into a divine dragon. Compare to Fae who only has access to a divine dragonstone and Ninian and Nils who (presumably) only have access to ice dragonstone. It's not a stretch to assume that the type of dragonstone used to transform determines the Heroes weapon triangle color of the unit. 15 minutes ago, Rezzy said: Divine and Light Magic should be the same color, since both are holy/divine/light. But divine dragons don't use light magic. They are simply "divine". I'm not sure they've even explained what light magic even is. It's certainly not necessarily magic granted by the gods (because most of the gods that we know of are dragons). I could be magic powered by faith or powered by the support of others or powered by heart. As best as I can tell, divine dragons are not powered by faith, are not powered by the support of others, and are not powered by heart. Well, maybe the last one. I do hope they have hearts that beat. 9 minutes ago, Johann said: I'm telling you people, it's their clothes! Elaborate! Color? Amount of skin? Existence of a hairband? Made of corduroy? Edited August 3, 2017 by Ice Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: That's because all non-Akaneian dragons that I am aware of only have one dragon form. Tiki is the only dragon in the series to be able to canonically use multiple types of dragonstones and can therefore become different types of dragons. A fire dragonstone changes her into a fire dragon. An ice dragonstone changes her into an ice dragon. A magic dragonstone changes her into a magic dragon. A flying dragonstone changes her into a flying dragon. A divine dragonstone changes her into a divine dragon. Compare to Fae who only has access to a divine dragonstone and Ninian and Nils who (presumably) only have access to ice dragonstone. It's not a stretch to assume that the type of dragonstone used to transform determines the Heroes weapon triangle color of the unit. But divine dragons don't use light magic. They are simply "divine". I'm not sure they've even explained what light magic even is. It's certainly not necessarily magic granted by the gods (because most of the gods that we know of are dragons). I could be magic powered by faith or powered by the support of others or powered by heart. As best as I can tell, divine dragons are not powered by faith, are not powered by the support of others, and are not powered by heart. Well, maybe the last one. I do hope they have hearts that beat. Elaborate! Color? Amount of skin? Existence of a hairband? Made of corduroy? It seems we're splitting hairs between Light and Divine, since Light Magic has been associated with those of the cloth for almost the entirety of FE. Wasn't Naga considered Light Magic in FE4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrosion Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Johann said: I'm telling you people, it's their clothes! That only works for some of them. There isn't a speck of green on Fae's clothes. Likewise, there isn't any blue on Nowi's attire either. Corrin has a blue cape but aside from that there isn't any blue on her either. 1 minute ago, Rezzy said: As convincing an argument as any. Really, their mistake was giving adult Tiki Lightning Breath, which is the most egregious outlier from the established categorization. I think I know the reason why Adult!Tiki has Lightning Breath. Manaketes in Awakening have 1-2 attack range and it was Nowi and Adult!Tiki, who both appeared in Awakening, specifically who were given the breath that allows them to counter from a distance. 3 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: That's because all non-Akaneian dragons that I am aware of only have one dragon form. Tiki is the only dragon in the series to be able to canonically use multiple types of dragonstones and can therefore become different types of dragons. A fire dragonstone changes her into a fire dragon. An ice dragonstone changes her into an ice dragon. A magic dragonstone changes her into a magic dragon. A flying dragonstone changes her into a flying dragon. A divine dragonstone changes her into a divine dragon. Compare to Fae who only has access to a divine dragonstone and Ninian and Nils who (presumably) only have access to ice dragonstone. It's not a stretch to assume that the type of dragonstone used to transform determines the Heroes weapon triangle color of the unit. That technically isn't true. Though it's only through glitching, Fae can in fact use Fire Dragonstones in Binding Blade. Even if it wasn't intentional, the fact there isn't anything in the game's coding that disallows Fae from using Fire Dragonstones means that your assumption is false. Well, then there's the fact that Ninian and Nils have no dragonstones to speak of in FE7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, Tybrosion said: That only works for some of them. There isn't a speck of green on Fae's clothes. Likewise, there isn't any blue on Nowi's attire either. Corrin has a blue cape but aside from that there isn't any blue on her either. Well, my colorblindness failed me yet again. Fae's outfit looks green to me, and Nowi's looks blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Tybrosion said: I think I know the reason why Adult!Tiki has Lightning Breath. Manaketes in Awakening have 1-2 attack range and it was Nowi and Adult!Tiki, who both appeared in Awakening, specifically who were given the breath that allows them to counter from a distance. They could have made a fiery equivalent 1-2 breath to keep things neat and tidy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatsumaFSoysoy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rezzy said: They could have made a fiery equivalent 1-2 breath to keep things neat and tidy. But that would unnecessarily bloat things. Also, all Manaketes shoot the same stuff in Awakening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said: But that would unnecessarily bloat things. Also, all Manaketes shoot the same stuff in Awakening. We have identical Swords, Lances, and Axes, so an extra Breath wouldn't hurt anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rezzy said: They could have made a fiery equivalent 1-2 breath to keep things neat and tidy. I really want to know why the 1-2 range breaths are 11 Mt and +1 CD but Gradivus and the other physical legendary weapons are 16 Mt with no drawbacks LAME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 hour ago, salinea said: Bless the ignore function! Too bad she gets quoted every five minutes, and quotes don’t get hidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rezzy said: It seems we're splitting hairs between Light and Divine, since Light Magic has been associated with those of the cloth for almost the entirety of FE. Wasn't Naga considered Light Magic in FE4? They had to classify the spell as a magic type somehow, unlike dragons proper whose damage type lives outside the magic triangle(s). 5 minutes ago, Tybrosion said: I think I know the reason why Adult!Tiki has Lightning Breath. Manaketes in Awakening have 1-2 attack range and it was Nowi and Adult!Tiki, who both appeared in Awakening, specifically who were given the breath that allows them to counter from a distance. All breath weapons in FE1 had 1 range. All breath weapons in FE3 had 1-2 range. All breath weapons in FE6 had 1 range. Flametongue in FE7 had 1-3 range. Myrrh's Dragonstone in FE8 had 1 range. Wretched Air in FE8 had 1-2 range. All breath weapons in FE9 had 1 range. All breath weapons in FE10 had 1-2 range. All breath weapons in FE11 had 1 range except Earth Dragonstone, which had 1-2 range. Fuck if I can tell what the FE12 breath weapons do. All breath weapons in FE13 had 1-2 range except Expiration, which had 1-5 range. Breaths do things in FE14. 2 minutes ago, Rezzy said: We have identical Swords, Lances, and Axes, so an extra Breath wouldn't hurt anything. Huh? Other than Raijinto, Siegfried, and Ragnell, there are no weapons that are functionally identical to each other among swords, lances, and axes (assuming you don't count the three different Falchions as different weapons). The dark magic tomes are the only inheritable weapons that are functionally identical to another weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, GuiltyLove said: I really want to know why the 1-2 range breaths are 11 Mt and +1 CD but Gradivus and the other physical legendary weapons are 16 Mt with no drawbacks LAME Probably because the breathes can be learned by any manakete and the Gradivus et al are personal legendaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Rezzy said: Probably because the breathes can be learned by any manakete and the Gradivus et al are personal legendaries. That's a good point. 11 Mt kinda seems unfairly low though. I'm still upset about Killer Lance+ being 11 Mt. Poor Catria... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: Huh? Other than Raijinto, Siegfried, and Ragnell, there are no weapons that are functionally identical to each other among swords, lances, and axes (assuming you don't count the three different Falchions as different weapons). The dark magic tomes are the only inheritable weapons that are functionally identical to another weapon. I meant Steel and Silver Sword, Lance, Axe have the same stats, and if the Breathes were all exclusive to their color, they could make a Flame Breath that had the same stats as Lightning Breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rezzy said: I meant Steel and Silver Sword, Lance, Axe have the same stats, and if the Breathes were all exclusive to their color, they could make a Flame Breath that had the same stats as Lightning Breath. The problem is there aren't enough dragons in the entire series to populate a full pool of weapons for each color that way. Hell, mages are already having a hard enough time. Thoron+ is still not obtainable, even if no one wants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 help the game is trolling me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraceEmpressa Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 38 minutes ago, Soul~! said: help the game is trolling me How is that trolling? Mathilda should be able to survive Katarina and kill Luke and Eldie easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 maybe it's the part where the game has two katarinas and I have none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraceEmpressa Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Soul~! said: maybe it's the part where the game has two katarinas and I have none oh... At least GHB units never showed up in Training Tower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Interdimensional Observer Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Rezzy said: I speculated that Birds would either be Green, since wind, or Blue to be weak to Wind. For Beasts, either Green to be weak to Fire or Red, since red of tooth and claw. Dragons could either fill the void of the other two or go on a case by case basis. Or just draw out of a hat like they do now. I'd rather they don't assign Laguz colors based on species outside of the Dragons maybe. Effective bonuses and colors don't always have to line up perfectly. It is possible to be a Lance Armor despite there being the Armorslayer. I'd prefer that the three Hawks each be a distinct color instead all Blue (or whatever color), it'd make for more variety this way and let people use the Laguz with a little more freedom instead of saying. There doesn't have to be perfect color freedom, Caineghis and Skrimir being Red and Giffca Green would be fine even if it left Blue uncovered. 5 hours ago, Sunwoo said: It would be nice to get through just one day in the Heroes board without hearing something about boobs, sex appeal, muscles, or anything like that. Perhaps when Fall rolls around in the northern hemisphere things will die down. Whereas Summer is sexy with swimsuits and outdoor activity, Fall is probably the least arousing season of all (unless you're a New Englander who delights a little too much in the mid-October kaleidoscope of color). Things will pick up again once December comes, but you'll have a few months of relatively low counts of libidinous posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraceEmpressa Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Interdimensional Observer said: Perhaps when Fall rolls around in the northern hemisphere things will die down. Whereas Summer is sexy with swimsuits and outdoor activity, Fall is probably the least arousing season of all (unless you're a New Englander who delights a little too much in the mid-October kaleidoscope of color). Things will pick up again once December comes, but you'll have a few months of relatively low counts of libidinous posts. Halloween tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Just now, DraceEmpressa said: Halloween tho Halloween won't be that bad, it's too dark for sexual fantasies with a widespread appeal, and particularly too dark too see much mention on a site like this. Thanksgiving might as well be the anti-Viagra, nothing kills the mood like eating with your extended family and trying to keep hopelessly away the divisive bomb of talking politics. The chill in the air is also cold enough to discourage energetic outdoor activity and skimpy clothes, but not cold enough to encourage romantic snuggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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