Choose Your Legends 8 is live!

[Tybrosion]

8 minutes ago, Jotari said:

Which is precisely why my first two votes were for Bloom and Emperor Alvis. And my next will be for Repter. Justice to the old magic men who are smart enough to wear armour!

I suppose as a kinda side note, I will never forgive IS for how they handled CYL4. CYL Edelgard could have and should have been a Tome Armor.

Instead, it's 2024 and they still refuse to let Edelgard have a ranged weapon of any type. 

[ARMADS!!!]

1 hour ago, Jotari said:

All the Elibe characters count separately, even the never aging Murdock. That being said, so far, they've never out two different base versions on an Elibe character yet.

 I thought that Eliwood and Hector didn't count separately (well not that it matters, now they already won, but their FE6 versions were removed when they did). Also we have FE7 Lilina from the epilogue (if that counts) as the backpack to 5 years older Hector from the epilogue in that Halloween alt, but I don't think kid Lilina is votable anyway Im not sure though... Maybe Epilogue Hector was as a separated version of Hector back then just how Arvis, Oifrey and Finn are, but I'm not completely sure too.

  Well, if Finn counts as two, I guess it's fair that Murdock would too (or Bartre, who literally just gets a mustache in 20 years).

3 hours ago, Saint Rubenio said:

I wouldn't touch Heroes with a ten-foot pole so I'm not quite as invested in the winner spots lol

These are the kind of lows you stoop to when you're so much of a filthy contrarian that you've had long-time favorites lose CyL. Like seriously, my poor man Frost...

If you're curious, this is the list of grand winners of the bottom-of-the-barrel award thus far, with short descriptions in case anyone's not aware of these fine, fine gentlemen (and gentlewoman):

CyL 1: Glade (Actually semi-noteworthy Thracia character, but this was before Thracia had a tolerable translation and he's not a flashy man, so he stands out less)

CyL 2: Tie between Bloom (Actually semi-noteworthy Genealogy villain but he's beyond generic so, understandable) and Garth (FE2 bossman).
Playable: Hicks? HICKS?! This is the first I'm hearing of this! Hicks?! He's one of my Thracia favorites! I can't frigging believe Hicks-- Okay, back on track, back on track.

CyL 3: Frost (Archanea's best grandpa) Still shed manly tears over it.

CyL 4: Tie between Dalvin (FE4 substitute), Hayden (King of Frelia from FE8) and Halcyon (NPC Nomah recolor from FE2)

CyL 5: Tie between Alder (Radiant Dawn NPC, Jarod's best pal) and Dolth (recolored bossman from Gaiden)
Playable: Yoder (Pope of Elibe, how did this happen)

CyL 6: Jorge (Tellius shopkeep)
Playable: Tie between Hermina (FE4 sub) and Leiden (cool jacket man from BSFE #2)

CyL 7: Alder again with a single vote.
Playable: Dalvin again.

I still say they should at some point start doing loser banners. For April Fools if nothing else. It'd be a funny idea, says me - but then, I'm the guy who has enough characters I like here to fill a banner, so.

...I just hope it's not Alder and Dalvin again or I'm going to have to start throwing another distinction on top of playable: "Not Alder or Dalvin"

I'd say that's about right. FE7 was THE beginner's FE for a long time. Natalie is one of the first characters you meet in it, and she's part of the set-up for its first recruitable enemy. Not to mention, she may only appear in one chapter, but she's a very notable part of that chapter.

The whole scenario is pretty cute, in fact. Quiet, hardened fighter works for super unsavory types to make money for his disabled wife, only for her to set out to find him and stop him despite the difficulty her disability presented. It's a cute little heartwarming dynamic and it's well developed for a one-chapter thing.

So yeah, I'm not surprised there's a few folks out there with fond memories of Lyn Mode who decided to throw some votes her way. She does leave a small impression. Once I stopped thinking of Natasha I certainly remembered her quickly.

 

Also, fun fact: Her portrait is very similar (though not quite a recolor or a simple edit) of Mary, Ward's sister from FE6. Natalie and Dorcas are Ward's parents? And yet Mary isn't votable. Not that this would be the only inconsistency in CyL - someone else here in Serenes pointed out to me that Awakening's Pheros is not votable, but her TMS incarnation is. Why?

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I find the idea of an April Fools banner pretty cool actually, but then everyone would just stop voting for the unpopular characters they like, hoping to get them on the banner, and probably vote a lot for the unpopular characters they DONT like to eliminate the competitors, it'd be a mess. Unless if it was a surprise one time thing. But I'd like some sort of April Fools banner (even if they just dressed everyone as sexy clowns and called it a day), I'd like it better than the tiredome seasonal banner of april: the Easter banner (that must be my least favorite seasonal banner). Also thanks for taking the time to search a list of the losers, I like to know this sort of thing (but I'm cursed with levels of lazyness that would stop me from searching it for myself).

 Good point about Natalie. I guess it males more sense for the jap only character (and the less relevant NPCs) to be placed lower, still Im a bit impressed that she always manages to get 100-200 votes (but yeah, her story with Dorcas really is sorta cute). Also, gee, I'm not the biggest fan of Yodel at all but placing last is a bit sad for him... I wonder if that's why he's not in the game yet, too bad because I wanted to see convos of him and Niime and I think his backstory is sorta cool.

 I like theories like this about FE6, some connections between it and FE7 are so nebulous that you can't tell whether it was the actual intention or not (such as Lucius being the father of the orphanage, and Raven going with him). I remember that Ward's sister... existed, but I don't remember her face at all. Later I'll check Dorcas' epilogue to see in which place he settled down with Natalie or if it mentions them having kids, and then check where did Ward and his sister came from to see if the places match. I don't find it that bad that Ward's sister is not votable though, she's completely irrelevant, as far as I remember she was just a random villager and she only mentions being Ward's sister if you enter her village with her brother or with Lot, as I remember I played thought the whole game without knowing this and only saw it online later, lol. I think Halvan's sister is not votable too right? and she's slightly more relevant than Ward's sister.

 Weird that they'd only make a TMS version votable but not the OG one, Id guess it's because TMS doesn't have a lot of characters but even so, couldn't hurt to have added the OG version as an option then. Who I really think that should be votable is the Fire Dragon from FE7! C'mon, it's the fucking final boss, and now that we got the non human Formortiis there's no excuse to not add the Fire Dragon! It even has a CYL propaganda on the FEH Reddit every year.

 

Edited January 16 by ARMADS!!!

[Jotari]

21 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:

 I thought that Eliwood and Hector didn't count separately (well not that it matters, now they already won, but their FE6 versions were removed when they did).

Binding Blade Eliwood+Hector and Blazing Blade Eliwood+Hector had separate voting totals, but both were removed from the game when their younger version won. Edelgard had this with flame emperor too, only in that case they forgot for a year flame emperor was a thing XD

21 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:

Also we have FE7 Lilina from the epilogue (if that counts) as the backpack to 5 years older Hector from the epilogue in that Halloween alt, but I don't think kid Lilina is votable anyway Im not sure though... Maybe Epilogue Hector was as a separated version of Hector back then just how Arvis, Oifrey and Finn are, but I'm not completely sure too.

We've also had Christmas Zephiel in his Blazing version, that's why I specified a base version. They've only given is one base Eliwood, Hector, Karel, Merlinus and Bartre (and no Marcus yet), Zephiel, Guinevere and Murdock. This might change in the future, but for now by coincidence or design it just hasn't happened.

Also the first Valentine banner should absolutely have been Binding Blade Hector and Eliwood. It was all about them playing with their kids and would have been narratively better of it was their actual children and not some alternate timeline versions.

Edited January 16 by Jotari

[Othin]

Bloom, Raydrik, Lombard, and Reptor should all already be in the game. IS has been sleeping on Jugdral so much.

Tellius, too. Speaking of which, I hope Alder somehow gets in eventually. I've always been a fan of him.

[Saint Rubenio]

 

1 hour ago, Jotari said:

I'm sorry but I cannot accept such blasphemy. We are no longer friends. Go read my half finished Bloom fanfic Lord of Friege, which is actually fully written, I just never posted the second half die to lack of interest (which absolutely proves your point but he deserves better damnit).

Haha, well, I can certainly respect the hustle. My plate is full, but I will wish you the best of luck in avoiding a second Bloom sweep for the bottom!

1 hour ago, Jotari said:

Justice to the old magic men who are smart enough to wear armour!

Is Paulus votable? I don't think so, right? Shame, he's one of FE5's cooler bossmen. Dude's a better Camus than the game's actual Camus that's in Heroes twice over.

40 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:

I find the idea of an April Fools banner pretty cool actually, but then everyone would just stop voting for the unpopular characters they like, hoping to get them on the banner, and probably vote a lot for the unpopular characters they DONT like to eliminate the competitors, it'd be a mess. Unless if it was a surprise one time thing.

Yeah, that'd be the problem with the idea. They'd have to make it very clear it's not something to vie for in future years.

40 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:

Also thanks for taking the time to search a list of the losers, I like to know this sort of thing (but I'm cursed with levels of lazyness that would stop me from searching it for myself).

No problem! It was my pleasure.

40 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:

I remember that Ward's sister... existed, but I don't remember her face at all.

The resemblance is... uncanny, to say the least. And Ward did inherit Dorcas's class and strength (though he's more the Bartre to Lot's Dorcas but, details)...

40 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:

Who I really think that should be votable is the Fire Dragon from FE7! C'mon, it's the fucking final boss, and now that we got the non human Formortiis there's no excuse to not add the Fire Dragon!

Generic dragon in Heroes would be absolutely hilarious, honestly. I support this.

5 minutes ago, Othin said:

Bloom, Raydrik, Lombard, and Reptor should all already be in the game. IS has been sleeping on Jugdral so much.

Tellius, too. Speaking of which, I hope Alder somehow gets in eventually. I've always been a fan of him.

Hey, if nothing else, Alder has been losing so hard that if IntSys ever gets the idea to do the funny "add losers into the game" prank, he stands a very good chance of benefitting from it.

Edited January 17 by Saint Rubenio

[Jotari]

3 minutes ago, Othin said:

Bloom, Raydrik, Lombard, and Reptor should all already be in the game. IS has been sleeping on Jugdral so much.

Hard agree.

3 minutes ago, Othin said:

Tellius, too. Speaking of which, I hope Alder somehow gets in eventually. I've always been a fan of him.

It's a hard sell. We haven't even gotten Jarod yet or any senators yet (no you don't count Oliver, you were deposed). They've been heavily sleeping on Tellius too. On the other hand, there are still almost 40 Tellius characters left to get into the game, meaning another 10 Tellius banners, approximatel (there's really 38), so if Heroes runs for another 15 years then they'll eventually run out of GHB units and make their way through to Alder (probably on the One Survives map). The GHB candidates I can think of that are ahead of Alder in importance (not counting playable characters, even though Gareth is totally going to be a GHB because he is not going to be selling any banners).

*Jarod

*Numida (less charismatic than Alder, but still more important...and apparently more popular too)

*Valtome

*Lekain

*Hetzel

*Izuka

*Levail

*Shiharam

*Bryce

*Gromell (because Japanese memes)

And that's counting Deghensea and Sephiran as mythics and not GHB. Oi. That's actually more GHB characters than I was expecting. So, yeah, unless he can be April fooled in, we'll see Alder in fifteen years. And that's only if he can out compete other meme bosses in this tier like Septimus or the inexplicable Gomer.

4 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said:

Is Paulus votable? I don't think so, right? Shame, he's one of FE5's cooler bossmen. Dude's a better Camus than the game's actual Camus that's in Heroes twice over.

No, the Thracia CYL roster is very light on NPCs. Kempf is the only character there even close to resembling a generic boss. The Generic Thracia boss I wwant to see is Coen, Saias' Grandfather. He has so much going for him. Grandparent of a playable character. Father of one of the people responsible for Sigurd's death. He's a Reinhardt adjacent character. And, best of all, the only armoured Staff Specialist in the series! Yet even with all that he's not only not in Heroes, but not even on CYL 😕 Old Man Bias has to stop!

34 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:

I don't find it that bad that Ward's sister is not votable though, she's completely irrelevant, as far as I remember she was just a random villager and she only mentions being Ward's sister if you enter her village with her brother or with Lot, as I remember I played thought the whole game without knowing this and only saw it online later, lol. I think Halvan's sister is not votable too right? and she's slightly more relevant than Ward's sister.

Fun trivia for you, t'was I that made the wiki pages for Miyue and Mary. If they still exist. The wiki has a bit of a bias against minor characters.

34 minutes ago, ARMADS!!! said:

Also thanks for taking the time to search a list of the losers, I like to know this sort of thing (but I'm cursed with levels of lazyness that would stop me from searching it for myself).

I've compiled all the Choose Your Legends votes on a google doc. If you know how to work sheets you can make a copy and sort the different columns in the named ranges to easily see where each person came each year, in addition to their overall rankings.

 

[Etrurian emperor]

1 hour ago, Tybrosion said:

I suppose as a kinda side note, I will never forgive IS for how they handled CYL4. CYL Edelgard could have and should have been a Tome Armor.

That and the lords should have gotten Brave outfits rather than just having their regular timeskip promotions. 

[Saint Rubenio]

17 minutes ago, Jotari said:

The Generic Thracia boss I wwant to see is Coen, Saias' Grandfather. He has so much going for him. Grandparent of a playable character. Father of one of the people responsible for Sigurd's death. He's a Reinhardt adjacent character. And, best of all, the only armoured Staff Specialist in the series! Yet even with all that he's not only not in Heroes, but not even on CYL 😕 Old Man Bias has to stop!

Yes, Cohen is quite the major character for a one-off. And yet he's not there but Garth is, even though Garth does... basically nothing? I guess he kills Valbar's family? That's not even half the importance of Cohen. Or Alder, for that matter.

18 minutes ago, Jotari said:

Fun trivia for you, t'was I that made the wiki pages for Miyue and Mary. If they still exist. The wiki has a bit of a bias against minor characters.

The good wiki has them, it's where I got the mugshot!

[Jotari]

16 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said:

Yes, Cohen is quite the major character for a one-off. And yet he's not there but Garth is, even though Garth does... basically nothing? I guess he kills Valbar's family? That's not even half the importance of Cohen. Or Alder, for that matter.

I think it's clear they just threw a tonne of generic bosses from Gaiden into CYL to bulk up it's roster since it's playable cast is so small. Unfortunately it's robust side characters and villains means they didn't feel the same need to do so for Sacred Stones, which has some of the best one off bosses on the series.

16 minutes ago, Saint Rubenio said:

The good wiki has them, it's where I got the mugshot!

I think we are in agreement about which one is the good wiki (since it's the one you easily can grab images from).

[Othin]

2 hours ago, Jotari said:

Hard agree.

It's a hard sell. We haven't even gotten Jarod yet or any senators yet (no you don't count Oliver, you were deposed). They've been heavily sleeping on Tellius too. On the other hand, there are still almost 40 Tellius characters left to get into the game, meaning another 10 Tellius banners, approximatel (there's really 38), so if Heroes runs for another 15 years then they'll eventually run out of GHB units and make their way through to Alder (probably on the One Survives map). The GHB candidates I can think of that are ahead of Alder in importance (not counting playable characters, even though Gareth is totally going to be a GHB because he is not going to be selling any banners).

*Jarod

*Numida (less charismatic than Alder, but still more important...and apparently more popular too)

*Valtome

*Lekain

*Hetzel

*Izuka

*Levail

*Shiharam

*Bryce

*Gromell (because Japanese memes)

And that's counting Deghensea and Sephiran as mythics and not GHB. Oi. That's actually more GHB characters than I was expecting. So, yeah, unless he can be April fooled in, we'll see Alder in fifteen years. And that's only if he can out compete other meme bosses in this tier like Septimus or the inexplicable Gomer.

I'm patient.

[indigoasis]

Interim results are in, ladies and gentlemen.

Nothing here is particularly surprising besides the TMS characters. It's time to let it go. We're not getting anything else, lol.

[Jotari]

13 minutes ago, indigoasis said:

Interim results are in, ladies and gentlemen.

Nothing here is particularly surprising besides the TMS characters. It's time to let it go. We're not getting anything else, lol.

The TMS characters always do well. Also...hasn't there only been two days of voting so far?

[Humanoid]

Wasn't there a year where interim results were published after one day? Am I misremembering that?

Anyway, nothing hugely of interest for me in the top 20. If I had to choose between the listed characters, give me, uh, Robin and Corrin for CYL7 symmetry I guess, plus say, Lilina and Leif (both because of my use of them in Heroes as opposed to anything about their origin game).

For the "do not want" basket, let's say, Bernie, Yunaka, Alcryst, Lyon.

[vikingsfan92]

They posted some more info like the top 5 from each indvidual game but not able to get links myself atm. 

Edited January 17 by vikingsfan92

[Sunwoo]

A bit disappointed that Reinhardt fell out of top 20, but with him getting an alt literally half a month ago and Engage existing, I'm not too surprised. Maybe I should be happy he lasted as long as he did there.

I'd be happy with any of Alfonse, Alfred, Leif, Takumi, Diamant, and m!Corrin (yes, shock of all fucking shocks ...) getting a CYL alt on the guys' side. I would be okay with Leo too. For the female side ... I guess Elincia, Sharena, and Ivy.

[Tybrosion]

These are apparently the top 5 from each game (note: they are also listed alphabetically):

Shadow Dragon: Caeda, Catra, Minerva, Navarre, Tiki
Valentia: Berkut, Delthea, Faye, Mae, Rinea
New Mystery: Caeda, Clarisse, Katarina, Kris (Male), Tiki
Genealogy: Ayra, Finn, Ishtar, Julia, Sigurd
Thracia: Finn, Leif, Linoan, Mareeta, Reinhardt
Binding: Fae, Fir, Idunn, Lilina, Sophia
Blazing: Athos, Lloyd, Ninian, Nino, Sonia
Sacred: L'Arachel, Lyon, Marisa, Myrrh, Seth
Radiance: Black Knight, Elincia, Mia, Nephenee, Titania
Radiant: Black Knight, Elincia, Mia, Nephenee, Zelgius
Awakening: Anna, Cordelia, Grima, Robin (Female), Tharja
Fates: Azura, Corrin (Male), Leo, Takumi, Xander
Heroes: Alfonse, Fjorm, Freyja, Nidhoggr, Sharena
TMS: Itsuki & Chrom, Maiko, Tiki, Touma & Cain, Tsubasa & Caeda
Three Houses (Both Academy and War Arcs): Bernadetta, Byleth (Male), Felix, Hilda, Yuri
Three Hopes: Bernadetta, Byleth (Male), Felix, Shez (Female), Shez (Male)
Engage: Alear (Female), Alear (Male), Diamant, Ivy, Yunaka

Bold = character is within top 20 of their gender
Edit: Forgot to bold Itsuki, Tsubasa and Touma.

Edited January 17 by Tybrosion

[Sunwoo]

Why is Nidhoggr already in the top 5 for Heroes she's had less screentime than even fucking Gullveig did at this point in the story

I feel like I'd understand Ratatoskr and the other sister whose name I don't want to look up how to spell right now if they were top 5 for Heroes, but seriously?

[Humanoid]

Threw together a quick table just to easier visualise what's going on with the individual games versus the overall top 20. Apologies for the lack of formatting. Green is top 20 female, blue is top 20 male. Names in alphabetical order so don't get confused by names lower on the list being highlighted but the top ones not.

Caeda	Berkut	Caeda	Ayra	Finn	Fae
Catria	Delthea	Clarisse	Finn	Leif	Fir
Minerva	Faye	Katarina	Ishtar	Linoan	Idunn
Navarre	Mae	Kris (M)	Julia	Mareeta	Lilina
Tiki	Rinea	Tiki	Sigurd	Reinhardt	Sophia
Athos	L'Arachel	Black Knight	Black Knight	Anna	Azura
Lloyd	Lyon	Elincia	Elincia	Cordelia	Corrin (M)
Ninian	Marisa	Mia	Mia	Grima	Leo
Nino	Myrrh	Nephenee	Nephenee	Robin (F)	Takumi
Sonia	Seth	Titania	Zelgius	Tharja	Xander
Alfonse	Itsuki	Bernadetta	Bernadetta	Alear (F)
Fjorm	Maiko	Byleth (M)	Byleth (M)	Alear (M)
Freyja	Tiki	Felix	Felix	Diamant
Nidhoggr	Touma	Hilda	Shez (F)	Ivy
Sharena	Tsubasa	Yuri	Shez (M)	Yunaka
In Top 20 overall but not Top 5 in their own game
Dorothea	Alcryst
Goldmary	Alfred
Lapis	Rosado
Panette	Sylvain
Veyle

 

Edited January 17 by Humanoid

[Tybrosion]

1 hour ago, Sunwoo said:

Why is Nidhoggr already in the top 5 for Heroes she's had less screentime than even fucking Gullveig did at this point in the story

I feel like I'd understand Ratatoskr and the other sister whose name I don't want to look up how to spell right now if they were top 5 for Heroes, but seriously?

Probably just because “hah hah, funny drunk snake lady”.

Be glad that the deer dude wasn’t eligible, because I feel he probably could’ve made it into the top 20 males.

It’s Hraesvelgr for the other sister, at least without the funky combined “ae” letter. I don’t know how to type those type of letters, either on mobile or PC.

[vikingsfan92]

I think the Alear's have the biggest chance of falling lower. Mainly because I can see the voters uniting under 1 and the other falls out completely just a question of which it happens to imo.  I see the male race being less contested so I can see Alear voters focusing on male Alear this year. 

With Engage specifically I think the top 2 of each gender probably are not as head of their compatriots as you might expect and it's probably tight race so I think it's still likely anyone race within the top 20 candidates race. 

So I think it's going to come down to if the Alear factions coordinate and what that does for the likes of Veyle, Ivy, Goldmary and Yunka. 

Not seeing Bernie winning this year because I still think people are a bit anti-three houses but I do think people will be more open to a houses winner on cyl 9

 

 

[Sunwoo]

4 minutes ago, Tybrosion said:

Probably just because “hah hah, funny drunk snake lady”.

Be glad that the deer dude wasn’t eligible, because I feel he probably could’ve made it into the top 20 males.

It’s Hraesvelgr for the other sister, at least without the funky combined “ae” letter. I don’t know how to type those type of letters, either on mobile or PC.

What is it with this fanbase and snakes

Also, thanks on the spelling of Hraesvelgr. I didn't feel like opening up the story chapters just to look it up.

[Medeus]

2 hours ago, Tybrosion said:

These are apparently the top 5 from each game (note: they are also listed alphabetically):

Shadow Dragon: Caeda, Catra, Minerva, Navarre, Tiki
Valentia: Berkut, Delthea, Faye, Mae, Rinea
New Mystery: Caeda, Clarisse, Katarina, Kris (Male), Tiki
Genealogy: Ayra, Finn, Ishtar, Julia, Sigurd
Thracia: Finn, Leif, Linoan, Mareeta, Reinhardt
Binding: Fae, Fir, Idunn, Lilina, Sophia
Blazing: Athos, Lloyd, Ninian, Nino, Sonia
Sacred: L'Arachel, Lyon, Marisa, Myrrh, Seth
Radiance: Black Knight, Elincia, Mia, Nephenee, Titania
Radiant: Black Knight, Elincia, Mia, Nephenee, Zelgius
Awakening: Anna, Cordelia, Grima, Robin (Female), Tharja
Fates: Azura, Corrin (Male), Leo, Takumi, Xander
Heroes: Alfonse, Fjorm, Freyja, Nidhoggr, Sharena
TMS: Itsuki & Chrom, Maiko, Tiki, Touma & Cain, Tsubasa & Caeda
Three Houses (Both Academy and War Arcs): Bernadetta, Byleth (Male), Felix, Hilda, Yuri
Three Hopes: Bernadetta, Byleth (Male), Felix, Shez (Female), Shez (Male)
Engage: Alear (Female), Alear (Male), Diamant, Ivy, Yunaka

Bold = character is within top 20 of their gender
Edit: Forgot to bold Itsuki, Tsubasa and Touma.

I think the most interesting part about this is that Alcryst isn't in the top spot. Everyone was certain he'd make it, but judging by Engage's top 5 he's at least below MAlear and Diamant. Between them and the others like Leif, Sigurd and Felix he may miss out this year.

 

43 minutes ago, vikingsfan92 said:

I think the Alear's have the biggest chance of falling lower. Mainly because I can see the voters uniting under 1 and the other falls out completely just a question of which it happens to imo.  I see the male race being less contested so I can see Alear voters focusing on male Alear this year. 

With Engage specifically I think the top 2 of each gender probably are not as head of their compatriots as you might expect and it's probably tight race so I think it's still likely anyone race within the top 20 candidates race. 

So I think it's going to come down to if the Alear factions coordinate and what that does for the likes of Veyle, Ivy, Goldmary and Yunka. 

Not seeing Bernie winning this year because I still think people are a bit anti-three houses but I do think people will be more open to a houses winner on cyl 9

 

 

You're overestimating the overlap between the two avatar genders. For instance, FByleth winning two years ago didn't catapult MByleth to win the following year and he only at best got a fraction of her votes. I wouldn't expect everyone who prefers FAlear to automatically jump to MAlear or vice versa.

Edited January 17 by Medeus

[Florete]

I'm pretty shocked to see Alcryst not in the top 5 for Engage. I never would have expected male Alear to be beating him. Honestly, this makes me suspect the male winners won't be two Engage characters, because I just don't see male Alear winning this year.

1 hour ago, vikingsfan92 said:

I think the Alear's have the biggest chance of falling lower. Mainly because I can see the voters uniting under 1 and the other falls out completely just a question of which it happens to imo.  I see the male race being less contested so I can see Alear voters focusing on male Alear this year. 

As far as fanbases go, avatars are effectively different characters. With the minor exception of Robin, there's always been very little fan overlap for the separate avatar genders, so it's unlikely one would ever siphon votes from the other.

[Jotari]

1 hour ago, Tybrosion said:

Probably just because “hah hah, funny drunk snake lady”.

At least that's something. Better than the year Lif got into the top 10 when he'd had virtually no dialogue. Sure Lif did end up being a relatively good Heroes character, but no one knew that at the time! Makes me wish they just had some restraint and didn't put people from the month old book on CYL, or just moved CYL so that it concurs with the end of a book rather than just after the start.

[Etrurian emperor]

Huh. So Tormod isn't in the top five of Tellius? Strange since he's perpetually snubbed.

I assume they list the rankings alphabetically to prevent tactical voting