Iris Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Rate the Unit, Day 35: Karel Rules - Ratings are assumed to be on LHM and HHM. Also, they should be based on when the unit is first available. - Votes need some explanation regarding their gameplay performance to be counted (unless they fall into the general parameters of the average rating, but reasoning is still strongly encouraged on those even if you just wanna quote people) — incredibly low scores or high scores without proper justification will not be counted. Numbers for votes, please - not something like "Marcus/10", etc. +/- ≤1 point extra regarding personality/appearance is okay, but no more. - Votes out of 10, or something proportional to it. Makes it easy to calculate, please and thank you~! - Make votes easily visible, please~! ##Vote: - Every ranking phase ends approximately at 20:00 EST. Do the math for your timezone. Scores (in ascending order) Wallace: 1.12 Wil: 1.85 Bartre: 2.78 Rebecca: 2.84 Dart: 3.86 Dorcas: 4.19 Rath: 4.28 Canas: 5.07 Eliwood: 5.34 Louise: 5.52 Guy: 5.71 Farina: 5.95 Erk: 6.01 Lyn: 6.07 Matthew: 6.17 Serra: 6.27 Geitz: 6.50 Legault: 6.55 Lowen: 6.71 Lucius: 6.94 Oswin: 6.98 Hawkeye: 7.21 Isadora: 7.24 Hector: 7.63 Heath: 7.67 Fiora: 7.99 Kent: 8.17 Priscilla: 8.38 Raven: 8.39 Florina: 8.41 Pent: 8.60 Ninian/Nils: 8.80 Sain: 8.83 Marcus: 9.63 ————————————————————————————————————————————————————— vote and score for Louise up later~ Edited January 24, 2012 by Iris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Karel... If you can get Harken then do so. No point in using Karel unless you want since Harken is generally better at taking and dealing damage and comes with the Brave Sword which any sword user can wield rather than a Swordmaster only weapon. Overall Karel is a decent unit who can help out but being locked to swords kinda sucks. 4/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Boooooooooo... 1.5/10 .5 For the Wo Dao... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeCrush980 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Could've been an interesting unit, but Harken's both better and provides a better weapon to the team. 1.9/10 Edited January 24, 2012 by OrangeCrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Fail Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 3.5, at least he's better than Guy, but if you got him, you missed out on the vastly superior Harken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) 3.5/10. Usable, but it's just that swordmasters have it bad in FE7 and getting him means you miss out on Harken and the Brave Sword. Edited January 25, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Thank you, Iris. Louise is at a 5.52 (better than Eliwood yessss) Karel by himself is an usable unit. He has serviceable bases and can kill things by hitting them twice. He has the standard SM issues like swordlock and low defenses, etc. I don't think it's entirely fair to give him such a low rating in the 1s and 2s since he's honestly better than some of the people who shows up early and suck (and at least a lot better than Wallace starting with having 6 move), since he's at the very least usable without putting in effort. It's just SMs are rather inferior in FE7 and having Karel excludes you from Harken, who's a far superior unit and even comes with a better weapon. But yeah, I suppose if you really really like SMs but don't want to bother with Guy's not-quite-so-attractiveness (or he gets badly str screwed and you need a replacement), Karel would work here. He can't really compete with Harken as a unit, so theoretically he never actually exists in HHM play, but if someone for some reasons wants to use him, he works. 4.5/10. .5 for playing to Lumi's weaknesses for long haired guys with nice-looking faces. Edited January 24, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Thank you, Iris. Louise is at a 5.52 (better than Eliwood yessss) Karel rating coming up Since you look so happy... Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm actually surprised that she got that high, tbh. Edited January 24, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKL Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Didnt even know he existed in my first run. And he seems pretty eh. 1/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Since you look so happy... Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm actually surprised that she got that high, tbh. |D yay c: Well, +3 to Pent and being able to be useful in one of the bitchiest chapters in HHM counts for something in her favor. Edited January 24, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galenforcer Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 4/10 He is significantly badass and is better than that Guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Well, I think it's fair to assume we're using him for the rating... Doing so, I would at first be inclined to give him a six or thereabout. Solid stats and a nice sword, although his stats could certainly be better and swordlock isn't fun. Given that he forces you to miss out on Harken and the Brave Sword, however, I'm going to give him a 4.5/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) |D yay c: Well, +3 to Pent and being able to be useful in one of the bitchiest chapters in HHM counts for something in her favor. Indeed. Especially considering that the strongest non-Luna users won't be doing much to her with a Pure Water boost along with the Pent support. Edited January 24, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 4.5/10 Passable, but makes you NOT get Harken and brave sword. And, he can use Steel Swords without any AS loss (Or very little) Wish he had+2 to all bases, S swords, and came with a Wo Dao, Brave Sword, and Runesword. I'd have a reason to choose him over Harken sometimes then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kngt_Of_Titania Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) 3/10 He's just not that good, considering the context. It's hard to accurately judge the SM without using him, but I'd rather have him deleted in the game before Guy was; at least Guy is pretty ownage early game and you don't have to forgo Raven the second to get him. Plus, you have to given up Harken to get him; Harken is a good unit -- there's no denying that. He pretty much wins versus a 20/2 Guy, which isn't surpising considering his 20/8 base. Oh, did I mention that while Guy is faster, everybody HM Geitz's AS and faster is doubling almost all of the time by promotion, and Karel will basically win all of the time STR-wise (which is all that matters offensively once you always double since swords are super accurate and enemy avoid is balls) and especially RES-wise (Cogs of Destiny, anyone?). But Guy's LUK lead will get him...lol, yeah, nothing important. I would actually double his score (maybe even slightly more) if his recruitment wasn't tied with Harken's. A shame, really. EDIT: I accidentally mixed up his image with Karla, the SM with tits. So I kept on saying her in my post. Damnit. Why are their names so similar? EDIT2: Somebody caught it before the edit. Double damnit. Edited January 24, 2012 by Kngt_Of_Titania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) ...Her? Karel's a dude. Karla's a chick. Karel isn't even a Lucius-level trap. Beyond the long hair, his facial structure is obviously male. Okay edits are good Edited January 24, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 4.5 out of 10 for being half as good as Harken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 3.5 for not being worth it over Harken he's not terrible in his own right, at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Despite being useable and coming with the ever-broken Wo Dao, Karel is... vastly inferior to Harken, who has HM bonuses up the wazoo. He's not bad but he's not good. 4.25/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Karel is that hot dude that kinda just comes out of nowhere and tries very hard to kill stuff. Swordies have it bad in this game. Its just...yeah. Pros: Hot. Wo Dao thing. Cons: Not that great. You miss out on Harken. Supports are meh. Joins too late. He isnt unusable but hes just not fantastic. Ive used him before as backup and hes ok for that but he just...cant do that much. Ehh.. 4/10 No personal bias score this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBHood217 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 They must've known Harken was better than Karel, because getting the former's a little tough. Either you let those promoted units live until he shows up, or you let four specific magic users (two of which are your healers) languish in favor of... Bartre just to get to the other map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) You can get both on either map, you know. So if you wind up with Kenneth's chapter, just dont kill more than one or two promoted units and dont unlock that other door until Harken arrives. :B Karel seems harder to get on the Jerme map however.... Edited January 24, 2012 by Florina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 6. Karel is pretty awesome. He has great Spd, decent Str and enough Con to wield Silver without AS loss. The Wo Dao gives him good offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Ah, Karel. If I see you, that means I don't get Harken's better stats, class, equipment, etc. You are insane, but you are also my favorite support for Guy (for the dialogue). 3.5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) He has Wo Dao, but it makes you miss out the better unit known as Harken who also looks good. His offenses are okay until his Wo Dao breaks; and then it becomes meh, although he doubles a lot of stuff although is nulled by Harken who doubles stuff; and makes it nastier with his Brave Sword! Verdict? 3.0 Edited January 24, 2012 by Icicle Spear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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